The Blue Story continues

[tasha]

the american system is pretty appauling they seem to be able to choose their own colour no matter what the standard says... black, blue, whatever the fancy.

Anne your right we do have them here but the flogging a dead horse bit I think is a little ungracious there are only a few in number here no where near the volume in the states and unlikely ever to be as no reputable breeder here would touch them with a barge pole, at the end of the day they were only allowed to be registered because of a reciprocal agreement with the AKC no one wants them here except those looking to make a quick buck and sadly they are not in the hands of reputable breeders and never have been mores the pity, prehaps if they were things would be different but the numbers are not being bred as expected and with a recession even the pet buyers these dogs are aimed at are no longer buying.

If there were hundreds here then fair enough it would be flogging a dead horse but the wheels in this country move slowly but they do move.

[Irena]

Apr 7, 2009 20:12:49 GMT 1 tasha said:

there are only a few in number here no where near the volume in the states and unlikely ever to be as no reputable breeder here would touch them with a barge pole

Just wondering, must you really use such expressions? (however "set" and innocent they appear to be) There are obviously people/breeders here who keep these dogs very close to their heart. Just an observation.

[daniela]

The subject of colour/reciprocal agreements et al, can be read in my reply here:

euroweims.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=puppy&thread=847&page=1

[tasha]

I was under the impression that the colour restriction had now been agreed?? And that the Blue would now be listed as non standard colour?? Does that now exclude them from being shown or is it still a free for all??

Really do feel (personally) that the KC let the breed down by allowing the registrations and dragging the debate out so long ignoring the requests of the clubs all of whom complained about the registrations.

For a dog that is being registered on the UK KCs import list inthe BRS I thought they had to be registered with their country of origin kennel club so the AKC or the FCI etc or are they allowed to register without a pedigree certificate just with a three generation pedigree??? Thats what I meant by reciprocal agreement, if the dogs hadn't been registered in the states on their AKC register then they would not have been able to register here.

Irene apologies for my terminology if it offended but in this country unless one of the big breeders stepped in and suddenly made these dogs acceptable by campaigning them and breeding carefully they don't stand much chance with anyone else beyond the pet market. Thats where its such a pity and in some respects a waste of a good working dog. I'm sure there is the odd fancier but in majority the dogs imported were for financial gain not to benefit the breed which can be easily seen in the price of the dogs which were first being sold at £1500 a pup against approx £700 for a grey pup.

[daniela]

I was under the impression that the colour restriction had now been agreed?? And that the Blue would now be listed as non standard colour?? Does that now exclude them from being shown or is it still a free for all??

Hey Tasha

AKAIK, the breed has not been officially colour restricted. If you register online you have a limited amount of colours to choose from but as yet, the breed has not been colour restricted, like say, Labradors.

As I said before, even if a dog that doesn’t conform to the breed standard (whether that be through colour or whatever) it can still be shown.

Really do feel (personally) that the KC let the breed down by allowing the registrations and dragging the debate out so long ignoring the requests of the clubs all of whom complained about the registrations.

If you haven’t already done so, why not attend a Kennel Club question time, and raise your concerns? It wouldn’t simply be a case of dragging its feet or ignoring requests.

For a dog that is being registered on the UK KCs import list inthe BRS I thought they had to be registered with their country of origin kennel club so the AKC or the FCI etc or are they allowed to register without a pedigree certificate just with a three generation pedigree??? Thats what I meant by reciprocal agreement, if the dogs hadn't been registered in the states on their AKC register then they would not have been able to register here.

Yes, this is correct. In the original post from 2007, your post suggested to me that the KC had registered blue puppies just because of an agreement with the AKC – more or less implying that if these dogs did not have blue on their pedigrees then registration would not have been accepted – which is not the case.

My apologies if I misunderstood your original post.

Daniela

[tasha]

thats ok its nothing personal just a debate topic, my jollies are off the cards at the moment as I only have 8 days left till baby makes its appearance but I would like to attend one of the question times in the future... however I am in doubt that it will actually do any good or make any difference as the KC seems to let us down at several turns when it comes to protecting our breed either with this sort of thing or with rogue breeders rather than proactively helping the clubs they pass the buck and that has got to stop, we're losing faith in them with their deaf ears approach to registrations and lack of proactive assistance. They can't have this big clean up in the media but do nothing to help when things are reported to them. A change of standard and increase of health availability which isn't mandatory is not good enough.

With my club hat on though this really is something that the KC should have sorted out when we first made the complaint then this mess would not have dragged on so long and it would not have caused so many issues. A quick resolution when the first dogs were imported would have been better than the mess we have been left in because the committee who view these complaints on behalf of the KC were not able to discuss it in good time, if they have a heavy work load from all the breeds then an increase in the alloted time available and an increase in the meetings would help and be in order.

Our standard is pretty clear with regard to colour according to the KCs Weimaraner Breed Standard which I've listed it below:

Colour
Preferably silver grey, shades of mouse or roe grey permissible; blending to lighter shade on head and ears. Dark eel stripe frequently occurs along back. Whole coat gives an appearance of metallic sheen. Small white mark permissible on chest. White spots resulting from injuries not penalised.

I don't know what else they could do to restrict it??? Other than put 'this is a colour restricted breed' which is stating the obvious. There are three available colours with two points for markings nothing more and they don't include BLUE.

What the KC has on its database is neither here nor there and effectively is an error as it does not follow the Breed Standard and this is one breed where colour is an issue as its part of what makes a weimaraner, that is fact all over the world. By rights the KC should be protecting the breed, there is nothing in the standard that states Blue, Black or multicoloured is acceptable as part of this breed and if that is not clear enough then the number of years the breed has been in the country without these deviations in colour should have been enough to flag that there was a problem without the need for the clubs to have made such a strenuous complaint. Ideally the KC should have approached the Parent club and asked its opinion before granting the registrations.

Its very rare that all the clubs actually agree on anything and this is one thing they have all agreed on. Blue is not part of our standard, most of us aren't happy with the 'non standard colour' either as it does nothing to protect the breed.

The germans stood up and said NO why did our kennel club fail to do the same???