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Post by narelle on Apr 13, 2007 21:38:53 GMT 1
Here is Steve with Magnum, Ch/NZ Ch Ashlaren Mango Jelly  Rachel with Austin, Ch Ashlaren Gerroa  Debbie with Trudi, Ch Bromhund Unique Trudi  This is Diva, Ch Greydove Ultimate Diva, Champion Bitch class winner and Runner Up to Best of Breed, Diva has had a litter on 12 December and she hasn't been shown since October last year when she won 2 x RUBIS specialties so she really just likes coming out for special occasions   |
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Post by lizgundog on Apr 15, 2007 22:28:26 GMT 1
Narelle,
Was that Lee Petering show Yland SecretsNLies?
Liz.
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Post by gerroa on Apr 16, 2007 0:14:42 GMT 1
Hi Cheryl,
Just saw your post referring to Austin and Magnum. Thanks to Narelle for posting the pics of them. That was my task for this morning but you've saved me some work ;D.
Cheryl, Austin (Ch Ashlaren Gerroa) is a repeat of the mating that produced Magnum (Aust/NZ Ch Ashlaren Mango Jelly).
Dam: Ch Ashlaren Eye Catcher - Sire: Am CH/Aust Grand CH Colsidex Grauhund Just Jeans
Regards
Steve
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Post by narelle on Apr 16, 2007 3:18:28 GMT 1
Narelle, Was that Lee Petering show Yland SecretsNLies? Liz. Im surprised you had to ask Liz, of course its Lee. |
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Post by narelle on Apr 26, 2007 23:28:13 GMT 1
We finally received the official photo, so I thought I would share.  and doing his lap of honour after his win!  |
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Post by weima on Apr 27, 2007 9:41:26 GMT 1
That picture was in this weeks Dog World ;D Page 41  |
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Post by narelle on Apr 28, 2007 8:00:00 GMT 1
Really? I don't think we get dog world here any idea how I could get a scanned copy of the page(s)? Narelle
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Post by daniela on Apr 29, 2007 19:34:57 GMT 1
I can send it to you in the post Narelle  |
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Post by narelle on Apr 29, 2007 21:12:40 GMT 1
Thx Dan, would really appreciate it send to
Narelle Goold
264 Caroline Chisholm Drive
Winston Hills NSW 2153 Australia
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Post by grausturm on May 14, 2007 8:17:36 GMT 1
Personally I think we should stick with our Australian methods of judging and I dont think that the American system will bring in any new competitors.
In Australia you need 100 points to title and at any show can only earn between 6-25 points - making it at least 4 shows to title and 25 points must be achieved after 12 months of age. For most dogs that is around 10 shows where the judge has chosen your dog to win. People will always be able to rort the system but I dont think changing to the american way will add any benefits. In fact it allows dogs that are not as good to get points because they are not competing against the best dogs. I think changing to the american way belittles the current title holders in Australia. It will be sooooo much easier to get an aust champ - they will become almost worthless.
At the sydney royal weimaraners with multiple in group awards and well over several hundred points were entered in the non champ class because their owners hadnt registered them yet as titled. I expect this happened with lots of breeds for a number of different reasons. So it didnt make it possible for new dogs in the ring without points to win the classes of challenge anyway. People are just going to continue to delay registering their dogs as titled so that they can compete. If you have a good winning dog then you are going to have a better chance of winning against the non champs than all the champs!!!!!
As to the grand championship needing to be best in show - I think that is unfair for some breeds as people have already indicated. People keep talking about getting 6 point grand champs, I think this is more likely to be rare than common! If people truly understand what showing is supposed to be about - then they would realise that taking a dog thru on 6 point challenges to title is really doing a dis service to themselves and their dog.
We breed longhairs as well as shorthairs. We always make sure our longhairs are competing with other dogs before we consider them good enough to be titled. Usually we take them to at least one big interstate show ( a weim specialty or national) to prove themselves. Generally they do very well. for example last year we went to the Melb wei specialty and won Runner Up Best in show (champ and open) with our longhair Ch Grausturm Love in a Mist. She not only beat all the longhairs but also all the shorthairs. Similarly we took her longhair littermate to the sydney wei specialty the year before and under a specialty weimaraner judge from america (dr dana massey who doesnt even have longhairs) she put Ch Grausturm live the dream up as best junior in show over all the shorthairs too! Yet neither of these dogs has ever been looked at for best in group despite multiple classes in group and dogs that they have beaten at specialties have gone on to win best in groups and best in shows. I think most judges wont look down the line to a longhair for best in group or in show. Until recently longhairs struggled to even get class in group a lot of the time. So changing the grand to a best in show win penalises some breeds.
And finally - in the last 6 nearly 7 years we have titled 20 dogs to australian or international champion. None have been done on 6 point challenges.
cheers ingrid
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Post by daniela on May 14, 2007 19:07:04 GMT 1
At the sydney royal weimaraners with multiple in group awards and well over several hundred points were entered in the non champ class because their owners hadnt registered them yet as titled. I expect this happened with lots of breeds for a number of different reasons. So it didnt make it possible for new dogs in the ring without points to win the classes of challenge anyway. People are just going to continue to delay registering their dogs as titled so that they can compete. If you have a good winning dog then you are going to have a better chance of winning against the non champs than all the champs!!!!! I'm curious, why is the onus on the owner to register their dog as having a title? Is it not something which is automatically issued by your KC? Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick.... |
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Post by narelle on May 14, 2007 21:11:33 GMT 1
No, our system is not like the AKC whereby their system counts the points and is automatic, we have to fill in a form with all the shows and points and 'apply' for a championship.
I guess the only thing it proved to me, in this situation at the Sydney Royal where people entered their dogs who should have been in the Champions Class, was that they didn't actually think their dogs were good enough to compete in that class!
Narelle
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Post by daniela on May 14, 2007 21:18:17 GMT 1
No, our system is not like the AKC whereby their system counts the points and is automatic, we have to fill in a form with all the shows and points and 'apply' for a championship. I guess the only thing it proved to me, in this situation at the Sydney Royal where people entered their dogs who should have been in the Champions Class, was that they didn't actually think their dogs were good enough to compete in that class! Narelle If peeps won points and should have been in the Champion Class (at time of entries closing) does it get queried? In the UK, there would be many people putting down their money to make a complaint, I'm sure! |
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Post by narelle on May 15, 2007 2:21:05 GMT 1
well people would have to 'know' the dog actually had the points and just didn't want to submit its championship to the controlling body where it would officially be registered as a CH.....there are no rules for when you have to apply for the championship certificate - most normal people would want to have a CH before their dogs name I would think - but seeing the Royal rules were just that you basically hadn't applied for the championship i.e. it wouldn't be on the database that they Royal entries are linked to so thats why they didn't know and couldn't control it - it couldn't happen in the USA.
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