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Post by mindaugas on Aug 25, 2007 13:52:13 GMT 1
Where can I find blue weimaraner in Europe?
I want to buy blue weimaraner puppy.
Please, help me!
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Post by tasha on Aug 25, 2007 20:10:14 GMT 1
what a pity  they are not standard within the breed. There is a reputable breeder in France. Just out of interest why are you looking for a blue weimaraner??? |
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Post by Jaeger on Aug 26, 2007 20:21:55 GMT 1
Not long ago a clever Dutchman who was a foprmer handler/breeder of Afghans thought to make a good move. He bought something special "a blue Weimaraner" puppyin Germany.
So he put an article in a local paper that he had bought a very special Weimaraner and he was ready to show it. He tought to make a flashing start with the puppy. Sadly is he bought the puppy from a breeder who doesn't get pedigrees from the German Weimaraner Club This breeder is a member of a "wild" dogclub in Germany. So no way this nice blue Weimaraner will appear on a show with a not valid pedigree. But if you are interested. the kennelname of the breeder is "vom Schlossturm".
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Post by tasha on Aug 26, 2007 20:38:38 GMT 1
what a pity that someone would mislead them like that...
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Post by Speeds on Aug 26, 2007 21:03:47 GMT 1
Hmm - difficult one that. Blue is not standard but if this person is set on getting a blue then maybe we should be helpful? Have a correct colour one - they are adorable. So long as you are sure you really want a weimy and you are not just getting one for looks |
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Post by anne on Aug 27, 2007 22:00:40 GMT 1
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Post by fialCo on Aug 28, 2007 7:07:11 GMT 1
Well, there is a nice kennel in France- Perles D'Artemis called.
The member Leslie is an owner of this kennel.
If it would be just "the colour", ok, but this colour won't be recognized! I hope you have read more about this breed.
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Post by Leslie on Aug 28, 2007 17:34:53 GMT 1
Well, there is a nice kennel in France- Perles D'Artemis called. The member Leslie is an owner of this kennel. Thank you for your nice words. This person has contacted me. I am not breeding right now and not sure when I will be again. Probably not for at least a year. Leslie |
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Post by jai on Aug 29, 2007 12:16:33 GMT 1
Hi Leslie.. are you back now from the US? How did the dogs fair?
jai and falko
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Post by Leslie on Aug 29, 2007 14:35:35 GMT 1
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Post by Rachel on Aug 29, 2007 21:08:46 GMT 1
Tasha maybe you can answer this one for me. Blue is not a colour accepted in the UK. However when I went to register a litter the other month online, I had a choice of colour such as silver, silver grey, roe grey, grey silver, blue.!
So has the UK Kennel Club now changed its rules on the Blue colour as being accepted, and if this is a case we can register blue pups, can they be shown and accepted ? Not that I have produced Blue, but its made me wonder if the rules have changed here. ?
Rachel
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Post by daniela on Aug 29, 2007 22:40:18 GMT 1
Tasha maybe you can answer this one for me. Blue is not a colour accepted in the UK. However when I went to register a litter the other month online, I had a choice of colour such as silver, silver grey, roe grey, grey silver, blue.! So has the UK Kennel Club now changed its rules on the Blue colour as being accepted, and if this is a case we can register blue pups, can they be shown and accepted ? Not that I have produced Blue, but its made me wonder if the rules have changed here. ? Rachel Weimaraners are not colour restricted (as yet) so you could register one as pink and white, if one wishes (although that may raise concern!). There is also no DQ so whether a dog is registered as blue, or whatever, it can still be shown. |
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Post by Rachel on Aug 30, 2007 13:38:25 GMT 1
Pink and white ha ha...
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Post by tasha on Aug 30, 2007 14:10:36 GMT 1
last I heard it had been put onto the agenda for the Kennel Club BUT as they don't meet too often and they have alot on their books this still has not been dealt with. To be honest if this nonsense keeps up then we might as well just accept that any old mutt no matter what the colour can be called a weimaraner. Our standard is very clear its all grey no matter what the variation but because of a reciprocal agreement with America our Kennel Club have choosen to register these dogs. I just hope that the club are still doing their part and pushing for this to be amended ASAP I think three years is far too long for this to be allowed when its such a difficult topic to start off with.
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Post by daniela on Aug 30, 2007 19:03:20 GMT 1
last I heard it had been put onto the agenda for the Kennel Club BUT as they don't meet too often and they have alot on their books this still has not been dealt with. To be honest if this nonsense keeps up then we might as well just accept that any old mutt no matter what the colour can be called a weimaraner. Our standard is very clear its all grey no matter what the variation but because of a reciprocal agreement with America our Kennel Club have choosen to register these dogs. I just hope that the club are still doing their part and pushing for this to be amended ASAP I think three years is far too long for this to be allowed when its such a difficult topic to start off with. I feel I must clear up some confusion. The statement about the Kennel Club accepting the colour blue because the KC has a reciprocal agreement with the American Kennel Club is incorrect. As I mentioned earlier, the Weimaraner, at the moment, is not a colour restricted breed and that means any puppies whelped within the Kennel Club’s jurisdiction can be registered as any colour. |
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Post by tasha on Aug 31, 2007 1:14:48 GMT 1
thats not what they advised me when I made my enquiry a couple of years ago or what I was told at the clubs agm. We have a standard that is set and agreed by the club and the kennel club and the colour clearly states: 'Preferably silver grey, shades of mouse or roe grey permissible; blending to lighter shade on head and ears. Dark eel stripe frequently occurs along back. Whole coat gives an appearance of metallic sheen. Small white mark permissible on chest. White spots resulting from injuries not penalised' (Taken from the Kennel Clubs website) There is no where in that description that allows for 'Blue' as a colour acceptable for registration. My understanding and I am happy to be corrected was that if a dog has been registered in another country and has a valid pedigree with a countries recognised Kennel Club Register and its imported into this country where we have the breed established as a recognised breed on the breed register then the KC have an agreement to register the dog as an import to our own breed record, subsequent offspring can also be registered. And thats exactly what has happened. If this is not the case then WHY has the blue colour been allowed to be registered when the standard is very clear?  There are now several imports the majority of breeding age and in production in this country that were shipped in from America. The americans have choosen not to be as careful with their registrations as we have and have a multitude of colours on their books including Black. I looked at alot of the registrations and was surprised at the colours that have been allowed without question. Do you know when the colour restriction will be dealt with on the KC agenda??? It has been a while now and something like this that will effect people who have brought a KC registered Blue puppy will I am sure be interested in the result. What will happen if the restriction is brought in will these dogs be removed from the register or will a restriction on showing be the only difference?? An interesting topic... |
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Post by anne on Aug 31, 2007 3:03:32 GMT 1
What is "shade of gray"? No, the standard is not clear. Here I go again. It's been well documented that what we know as "blue" has been called "mouse gray" by the Germans themselves. (See Weims Ways). "Blue" is a dilute black, and a dilute black is gray. What we CALL "gray" is actually dilute brown.
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Post by tasha on Aug 31, 2007 10:43:06 GMT 1
 we've had this discussion before and your right Blue is dilute black and the weimaraner coat is dilute from brown/red so although its called grey its not really, bit like calling a grey horse white - no such thing its an old argument. Personally I don't want to see anymore of these dogs in the hands of puppy farmers, rubbish breeders or stolen to order because of their 'rare' coat. |
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Post by daniela on Aug 31, 2007 16:31:59 GMT 1
There is no where in that description that allows for 'Blue' as a colour acceptable for registration. My understanding and I am happy to be corrected was that if a dog has been registered in another country and has a valid pedigree with a countries recognised Kennel Club Register and its imported into this country where we have the breed established as a recognised breed on the breed register then the KC have an agreement to register the dog as an import to our own breed record, subsequent offspring can also be registered. And thats exactly what has happened. The answer is twofold. There are over twenty breeds whose registrations are colour restricted. As an example, with the Labrador, the breed's registrations are restricted to the following colours: Yellow Black Chocolate Liver Anything which falls out of those four colours would be registered as 'non- recognised'. So, even though the Kennel Club has a reciprocal agreement with the American Kennel Club, if someone imported a blue Labrador from America, its colour would be registered as 'non-recognised'. This is because the Labrador is a colour restricted breed. At the moment, the Weimaraner is not a colour restricted breed. If this is not the case then WHY has the blue colour been allowed to be registered when the standard is very clear? . Irrespective of the colour description in the breed standard, the Weimaraner, at the moment, is not a colour restricted breed so for registration purposes, any colour will be accepted. There are now several imports the majority of breeding age and in production in this country that were shipped in from America. The americans have choosen not to be as careful with their registrations as we have and have a multitude of colours on their books including Black. We also have many colours registered here. What will happen if the restriction is brought in will these dogs be removed from the register or will a restriction on showing be the only difference?? If the breed does become colour restricted, it doesn't mean that all 'blue' dogs registered before the date of the new criteria, will become 'de-registered'. It would just mean that any dogs registered on or after that date, would be registered as the agreed colours, and anything which doesn't match those colours, would be registered as 'non-recognised'. Being 'non-recognised', does not prevent a dog from being shown. Any incompatibility between the standard and the registered colour would be a matter for the judge in the show ring. |
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Post by tasha on Aug 31, 2007 18:24:43 GMT 1
so what would the benefit be to having the breed colour restricted if it does not remove these dogs from the register ?? Would be interesting to see a Blue British Show Champion...
I can't remember if in the states the differing colours stops them from being shown or not? Will have to read back through my notes.
I always thought the breed standard was the basic guide line for the breeds set out between the governing body and the KC I didn't realise it was so ineffective. Thanks for clarifying it always makes interesting reading and it is a very interesting subject.
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