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Post by Irena on Jan 14, 2005 11:10:44 GMT 1
Someone asked me the other day how Weims are usually bred - Shorthair to Shorthair and Longhair to Longhair or "mixed" breedings (I am using their term) is allowed. I said I couldn't really remember off hand any LH to LH breeding, I guess because there are rather few LH Weims compared to SH's. Can anyone give any examples of any LH to LH breedings? All the pups in the litter would be LH's too, right?
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Post by Sylvia on Jan 14, 2005 12:10:20 GMT 1
LH x LH breeding gives indeed only longhair. LH x LC (Long carier) gives about 75% LH and the rest cariers. LC X LC gives about 25 % LH about 50% LC and about 25 % pure SH. LH X SH gives about 75 % LC x SH gives a few carriers. Some say LC X LH gives better coats, and the ones I seen I can agree in that. Also if you breed the LH into the SH you get better coats for the SH as well. SH is in his genes more dominant then LH, so if the dog is LH he can never carrie genes for SH. Otherwise the dog was SH  |
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Post by Irena on Jan 14, 2005 13:46:40 GMT 1
Alright, thanks!
Any examples from real life where both parents were LH's (and accordingly produced a whole litter of LH pups)? I know it must have been done before, just that it seems interesting to me. I couldn't remember any.
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Post by Sylvia on Jan 14, 2005 14:55:38 GMT 1
All the Longhairs breed in Holland are from bot longhair parents, because it isn't allowed here in Holland to cross LH and SH, for example the litter of Marjolein was total longhair. She can send in some pictures from the puppies |
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Post by Irena on Jan 14, 2005 23:10:28 GMT 1
All the Longhairs breed in Holland are from bot longhair parents, because it isn't allowed here in Holland to cross LH and SH Wow, OK, I sure didn`t know that! What about other European countries, anyone? Just curious. |
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Post by Sylvia on Jan 15, 2005 1:28:35 GMT 1
Wow, OK, I sure didn`t know that! What about other European countries, anyone? Just curious. In Sweden it is alowed to do crossbreedings, and also how the breeder wants. In Norway it is also alowed to do crossbreeding. In Denmark it isn't alowed to do crossbreeding. |
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Post by Irena on Jan 15, 2005 9:27:37 GMT 1
Thank you! That is interesting, I am learning something new!
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Post by Sylvia on Jan 15, 2005 13:57:04 GMT 1
In Denmarks wasn't it even alowed till a few years ago to registrate Longhair Weimaraners born out of Shorthairs.....
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Post by smokeybear on Feb 25, 2005 0:23:29 GMT 1
My bitch is the product of longhair to longhair mating in the UK.
There are several examples of litters that are the result of longhair to longhair mating in the UK.
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Post by syrinx on Apr 28, 2005 11:36:19 GMT 1
My girl Lara (Aust Ch Sinaway You Can Hope) is from a LH x LH mating, and so was her mother. Her father was a LH x LHC (Longhair carrier, as we write it here). Lara does not have a big coat, but that is her line, rather than anything else. Her grandfather (Aust Grand Ch Sinaway Kaltegrad Kurt) was a LH x LH mating, Australia's first frozen semen litter of Weimaraners of either type. Kurt did not get a full coat until he was 6.
Lara is now almost 3 and gets more hair each season.
Her litter was to a LHC, our Phantom, (Grausturm Ima Tassidevil) and their son Riley (Syrinx Devil Inthe D Tail) at 10 months already has more hair than his mum.
Of course, in Australia you can mate LH to SH, and they are shown as a seperate breed.
Wendy
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Post by Katja on Jun 19, 2005 19:14:45 GMT 1
Here in Finland it´s not allowed crossbreeding. Our little Carina fra Hölondaskogen (from Norway) is LH*LH parents. And if i remeber right in Germany it´s not allowed crossbreeding? Does anyone have sure information?
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Post by marjolein on Jun 20, 2005 7:53:36 GMT 1
It's only allowed when you have the approvement of the German Zuchtwart, but it's not easy to get that.
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Post by Ingvild on Jun 25, 2005 19:00:49 GMT 1
I have to correct you on this one: In Norway the Norwegian Weimaraner Club has a policy of no "cross breading". I'm not sure what the NKK would say about registering the pups though. I don't think anyone has tried..I'm going to check that out. So the LH here in Norway are a result of either to short hairs (LC) or both parents LH (most of them). I took a few pictures of the dogs from the "newest" LH litter at the last show I was at:   |
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Post by Ingvild on Jun 28, 2005 21:41:26 GMT 1
If you would like to see a better picture, look at the breeders site : www.kennelhella.net. She has a picture og a male from the same litter on the fron page. |
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Post by arielskennels on Jul 27, 2005 3:57:18 GMT 1
In the USA, the AKC does not distinguish between the coats. LH is a disqualification in the show ring, but you are welcome to "cross" the coat types. I personally will be looking for a male LH to breed my female LH with after she has finished her hunting titles with the AKC. I want to have a "true" LH to LH breeding because my LH is from 2 SH that carried the LH genes. I am not sure what type of coat that she will end up with (if it will be shorter than most of the LH's or not). But, if I could find a male that had hunting test titles and was a "true" longhair (from a LH to LH breeding).. I would be extremely greatful for the breeding. If anyone knows a LH male in the USA, please could someone let me know? Thanks.
Melissa
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Post by Irena on Jul 27, 2005 8:57:24 GMT 1
If anyone knows a LH male in the USA, please could someone let me know? Thanks. I think I do - I know of a couple of Longhairs from zum Laubwald kennels and vom Bülten kennels (Germany) that went to live in the States. The ones I have in mind are in Montana, I think. The person has both males and females I think. I could find their contact info if you are interested. |
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Post by marjolein on Jul 27, 2005 10:53:04 GMT 1
Yes, Panu Zum Laubwald is the most gorgeous dog I've ever seen. Here's a pic :  .His owner is Steve Graham. Google, and you'll find him. This one is a nice dog as well, I believe it's a Zum Laubwald as well, his name is Quelle. Here's his pic: homepage.mac.com/ckoshyk/Chiendog/PhotoAlbum32.html/ Scroll down to pic CRW 0378. |
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Post by anne on Sept 2, 2005 23:22:44 GMT 1
Melissa,
I would contact Deborah Andrews about this. I know of a few German imports that are here and tested but she would probably be a better resource for your question.
Anne
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Post by anne on Sept 15, 2005 22:32:32 GMT 1
I forgot to say that Steve doesn't live in Montana, he lives in Oregon. His Piezl, the dog pictured above was recently on the NAVHDA magazine's cover. He is a great guy. There are also people in MOntana that have German LH imports, but I would contact Deborah about that. Here is a picture of another of his LH's, Baika vom Heidenbruch, with my Blue Indy when she was a pup. I call them the DQ Duo. <g> www.weim.net/riley/images/dqduo2.jpg |
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Post by lockfageln on Sept 16, 2005 20:39:01 GMT 1
In Sweden we are allowed to mix. (as Sylvia told)
I have 3 longhair.
2 LH + LH
1 LH + LC
I mated my bitch (LH+LH) with a LH+LH male and that is very unusual in Sweden. I think it´s the 4 th litter LH+LH in Sweden.
One of the males are exported to Canada. I wish the demand would be bigger becouse I would like to breed LH+LH more.
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