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Post by sj on Apr 22, 2005 5:27:30 GMT 1
I am working on a section on my website and would like to get your ideas to include, on what you understand a puppy farmer to be?
I have seen quite a number of sites on the net with various meanings/views but would like to here from members here.
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Post by Irena on Apr 24, 2005 2:54:43 GMT 1
I understand that a puppy farmer is someone who does not do any health checks or pedigree research or titling of the dogs, and breeds with the aim of making more $$$ with investing as little as possible into the well-being and maintenance of the dogs. (Not to mention any titling etc.) It seems like it is business purely for the sake of business, where quality of dogs is probably the last thing on the list. I may not be aware of all the horrors behind the scenes, but that is what I personally understand under the term "puppy farmer".
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Post by Weims on Apr 24, 2005 15:45:23 GMT 1
In my opinion a puppy farmer is someone who breeds dogs solely to make money and is not interested in the wellbeing of the dogs he breeds or uses for breeding. Also people who sell their litter to a pet shop where they are just in the business of selling puppies, not making sure that the puppies are going to the right homes.
Unfortunately we have lots of puppy farmers here in the UK.
Lynn
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Post by Alkemist on Apr 24, 2005 20:30:21 GMT 1
I think this is a very difficult question. A puppy farmer to me is typified by someone who has no interest in improvement, or lines, or health of the breed that they are breeding. They will go to the cheapest most local dog they can, and buy the cheapest most local bitch they can, and breed whenever they want to, not when is best for the bitch (and breed many times from one bitch). They will save money on raising the litter (no vets if needed etc), and will let the pups go when it is convenient for them, not the pups. They also will not offer an aftersales service.........
Does anyone think that the number of puppies bred should come into it? I often debate to myself whether it should, but I have excluded it from above.
Nina and Jensen
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Post by Weims on Apr 24, 2005 21:06:35 GMT 1
Nina I saw in one recent breed record supplement that a weim bitch had had 48 puppies...... can you imagine "48" puppies (not in one go I might add)  But 48 puppies out of 4/5 litters (not completely sure how many), now that isnt breeding for the good of the breed, that is breeding for the money. I know that puppy farmers can sell whole litters to pet shops here in the UK and the pet shops sell them. Recently I rehomed a 6 mth old bitch puppy who was bought from the pet shop and the people paid £550 (which is the average price for a registered well bred puppy) and the poor little bitch wasnt even kennel club registered, she didnt have a pedigree and was shipped over from Ireland with her litter mates. Grrrr..... makes me sooooo angry  Lynn |
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Post by marjolein on Apr 26, 2005 21:41:12 GMT 1
The real problem with these puppy farms, are the people buying a dog from them. As long as they keep doing it, they'll make sure a pupy farm will continue to make sure they have enough puppies to sell.
But it's very difficult, to make people aware of breed clubs I think. Some people just have no idea at all, that breed clubs excist.
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Post by Irena on Apr 26, 2005 23:12:57 GMT 1
Nina I saw in one recent breed record supplement that a weim bitch had had 48 puppies...... can you imagine "48" puppies (not in one go I might add) But 48 puppies out of 4/5 litters (not completely sure how many), now that isnt breeding for the good of the breed, that is breeding for the money. Lynn, could you explain what is wrong with this? Unless I am misreading something, 4-5 litters out of one bitch is what a lot of people I know have done, and I would not call them puppy farmers by any means? Sorry, just wondering what I am not understanding here.  |
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Post by Sylvia on Apr 26, 2005 23:30:37 GMT 1
If someone breeds so many litters out of 1 bitch you have to ask yourself what it will give more for the breed then only producing puppies.
You breed for making the breed better, not to make more puppies.
48 puppies is 4 litters a low scale, I think that it is about 5 / 6 litter.
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Post by Alkemist on Apr 26, 2005 23:31:45 GMT 1
Irena in the UK, the breed clubs require that you do not mate your bitch more than 3 times. I would be OK with someone having a 4th litter if perhaps 1 litter had 1 or 2 pups, or if the lines were so needed that it warranted 4 litters, but it is not the norm to do this.
Stud dog owners are also required to check with the KC that the bitch the dog is being mated to has not had more than her quota of litters.
It again is an area where one could argue it is possible to have 8 non-quality breeding bitches and have 2 litters out of each, or have 2 quality breeding bitches and have 4 litters out of each. Half the litters- but you break the rules of the breed clubs, and risk expulsion.
Hope that clear things,
Nina
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Post by nfp20 on May 1, 2005 0:24:12 GMT 1
I think a puppy farmer is someone who breeds a dog on its first season to the nearest dog available has no regard for the welfare of the dog or her puppies, is unlikely to provide adequate food and happy to sell puppies to anyone without registration or injections.
They are someone who is unlikely to have elderly dogs in their care unless they are still being bred from opting to ditch their dogs as soon as their usefulness is finished. They don't provide training or give adequate exercise. They often have multiple breeds rather than just one and living conditions are poor. These type of people are less than we think.
The biggest problem with our breed is the home bred pet that has never been shown or worked but whose owners think its the best doggy in the world and wouldn't it be nice to have a litter they are ill informed but may have the best of intentions. Sadly you can't restrict either mores the pity.
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