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Post by Irena on Feb 28, 2005 23:54:07 GMT 1
Check this out!! Pretty neat!!!!! www.chalcy.comThis team is in California, USA. It's sure great to see someone showcasing our breed like this. Man, now I REALLY cannot wait to get my puppy so that WE can get started too! If she could learn one third of the tricks that my old GSD could do, I would be VERY pleased with her!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by fialCo on Sept 1, 2006 13:49:04 GMT 1
Jeee, what a star:)
but I actually do not like "circus" dogs:(
I love it when they enterntain like this by themselves, like Audrey does, but this Chalcy looks sad to me:(
Maybe that's because weim is not a pudel???
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Post by indy on Sept 1, 2006 15:32:18 GMT 1
I don't know what to think.. I think it good she works with her dog. BUT I think she gives the wrong PROMO for the breed. Already many people see a weim just as a beautiful "thing" for company and play... They may think that it is a cute and cuddley dog to have as a family dog and that makes me so sad.
A weimaraner should WORK.. tracking, obidience (well she does some of that I give her that at least!) retriving etc.
As I said.. I'm not this is the best advertasing the breed can get. However... neither is dogshows....
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Post by jai on Sept 1, 2006 21:29:33 GMT 1
saw the site.. I agree with Indy..
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Post by tasha on Sept 2, 2006 2:14:38 GMT 1
Well I watched but sorry my pet hate comes up 'whymerana' ughhhhhh!!
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Post by groovydreamyfab on Sept 4, 2006 2:22:27 GMT 1
I think Chalcy is awesome, gives me some ideas to do with Groovy, my first weim.
I don't feel that all weims should 'work', per se.
I think weims should play.
My weims play hard - full tilt - hard core.
I think it's way cool what this lady does with her dog.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE her slogan, "Do more with your dog!"
If it's not fun, we don't do it.
All play and no work are what dreams are made of, and my weims live that life to the hilt.
Man, are they happy. Me too!
Cassandra & the weim3pack
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Post by fialCo on Sept 6, 2006 18:36:25 GMT 1
I agree with Indy, she reads my thoughts:)
In Lithuania's forums sometimes appears messages about weimaraner ( while it is still very rare breed), and people usually do not read about weims specialties or what kind of dog it is. They just see the colour, the size, and think that this dog is right for them...
When I decided weim is my type, I knew I would train him for real, for shows and hunting trials, I knew that I would spend all my time with him and it is very sad, that such dogs as Chalcy show people "wrong" side of a weim...
Yes, we see obedience, but all dogs should be obedient.
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Post by emma on Sept 8, 2006 12:54:36 GMT 1
I also agree with indy, weims are for work not for circus. I had a dalmatian and he was very playful in a totally different way than my weim who is more for working although he has the option to play. So for pure companionship and playing I can warmly recommend a dalmatian but not a weim.
I think the working feature is genetical because when my weim (who is only 8 months old) is loose on the field or in the forest he is doing searching and tracking all the time. He does not want to play, he wants to work. In other words my weim chooses working over playing without me interfering with his choice. So I never have to motivate him and also if he retrieves a bird he does not want any goodies. For him it is enough to have the pleasure of carrying the bird. So I think every weim really deserves the opportunity to work.
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Post by shimmering on May 20, 2007 20:54:39 GMT 1
Sometimes the 'work' that they were bred for isn't so easy o get in to. I know I would never have *anything* to do with my local gun dog / shooting clubs because I won't accept their training methods, HOWEVER, that doesn't mean the dogs brain has to become dormant and my own dog has a vast repetoire of tricks, which she thoroughly enjoys performing and helps ensure her mental needs are as well fulfilled as her physical needs.
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Post by greyghost on May 21, 2007 0:06:04 GMT 1
Well both mine have been lap dogs or should I say compaion dogs. For mental stimulation I clicker train. My first loved to retrieve. My second, a rescue, does not have a clue. She prefers to sniff and hunt and sniff and sniff again. I could put this to good use with tracking but need to get myself organised. Whatever you do with your dog it needs to be enjoyable to you both. Chalcy is a star and if she didn't enjoy it she wouldn't perform the way she does. I for one do not do cold rainy mornings. We both prefer to cuddle up on the sofa. Is my dog unhappy - I don't think so....  |
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Post by kags on May 21, 2007 6:55:49 GMT 1
Eric is my companion, I don't show or work him, he is a pet. He is not an unhappy dog for it. He is very well exercised and mentally stimulated. None of my weims have worked but I don't think I am doing them an injustice. Chalcey wouldn't do the tricks if she didn't want to. Les we enjoy the odd chilly morning and cycling through the puddles in the rain, but then we don't get a lot of rain here |
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Post by dianem on May 31, 2007 21:07:24 GMT 1
The question is "what is work"? It's entirely possible that your definition of "work" is much too narrow. A companion dog has its "work" as well as the "circus dog" and the "hunter". They need mental stimulation and preferably to use their natural abilities, but a Weimaraner is very versatile dog and can be happy in various situations given that mental stimulation and lots of love.
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Post by emma on Jul 31, 2007 7:48:28 GMT 1
Well guys, I still disagree with you Come visit me here in Finland and we'll take your companion weims out in the forests and fields and then you will see what they were really meant to do and what they love to do even more than cuddling on the sofa on a rainy day   Seriously, of course a weim can be happy as a companion dog but I promote them as hunting dogs here in Finland. I really don't want to see them as pure companions here because if they are not bred on hunting capabilities then how am I suppose to find a hunting weimaraner if they are all just sofa friends? If there are only companion weims available then my next dog must be a German pointer which are exclusively bred on hunting capabilities here in Finland. I would much rather have a weim though so I hope you see my point |
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Post by weimaranermama on Jul 31, 2007 21:57:53 GMT 1
I agree Indy, weims like hunting most I think, they like to retrieve, to use their nose and smell the birds in the fields. That's what in their genes.
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Post by greyghost on Aug 1, 2007 9:54:38 GMT 1
The question is "what is work"? It's entirely possible that your definition of "work" is much too narrow. A companion dog has its "work" as well as the "circus dog" and the "hunter". They need mental stimulation and preferably to use their natural abilities, but a Weimaraner is very versatile dog and can be happy in various situations given that mental stimulation and lots of love. I quite agree. ;D |
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Post by greyghost on Aug 1, 2007 10:01:30 GMT 1
Well guys, I still disagree with you Come visit me here in Finland and we'll take your companion weims out in the forests and fields and then you will see what they were really meant to do and what they love to do even more than cuddling on the sofa on a rainy day Hey, we still have our moments out in the field you know ;D |
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Post by shekeik on Apr 6, 2008 2:37:41 GMT 1
If everyone was to own a dog on what they were bred for us people who don't hunt or don't herd would be left with not much choice at all because in the end all dog breeds back date to hunting or herding. Like people all dogs are different in characters what some like others don't. Who is one individual to say you are not entitled to that dog because you don't hunt and how is a dog to sit there and say "Well I'm not happy because I don't" dog's don't have the power of reasoning so to them agility, obedience, showing or maybe a companion to an active person is work to them all the same. They are still getting the stimulation but in different avenues, I understand what some are saying the instinct would be bred out of them but it is no different to a working dog e.g Kelpie there will always be breeders out there using and breeding them for their purpose and others who just genuinly love the bred, temp and characteristic. If you look at what Chalcy really does it is using her scenting, the dog can't really count it is just going for the cube with the scent of human on it.
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Post by calla on May 26, 2008 8:53:23 GMT 1
I must agree with shekeik in one point. Of course this dog doesn´t count, it simply smells the ones that have been touched.With the other point: working or pet, this is my opinion: I use to live in the U.S. over 1O years, and there are a lot of lines that don´t have to hunt no more.They are beautiful very active and athletic companion dogs. They have to be properly exercised and trained, than they are wonderful "pets". Being back to Germany now for over 8 years and breeding Weimis in the German club, there is quite a different picture.It makes a world of a difference if you have a Weimi that is for over 100 years strictly bred for hunting. Also do have the German Weimis what is called "Manschärfe", which means defending the owner and his property against humans without any compromises!!This is a trait which CAN become a problem if under worked. I never do sell my pups to "pet" homes.Maybe one pup/litter I let go to a non-hunting home (but so far all these dogs went into being search and rescue dogs).Being a rescue dog involves a lot of work,and the dogs can also use their natural instincts. So what I try to say is, that all of you are right!!!It just depends out of which lines you have your dog.In the U.S. and some other countries the lines of Weimis are divided in working and show dogs for a long time .When non-hunters ask me for a pup I gladly refer them to European F.C.I. breeders in which countries passing a hunting test is not a must for breeding.
Greetings from Germany
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Post by sieglinde on Dec 7, 2008 18:31:46 GMT 1
I just spent the last 1/2 hour going through that site with a smile on my face!! I don't think the dog looks unhappy, but i do think that owner and dog go well together and enjoy doing 'their stuff' - whatever that might end up being. I think its cool when people spent time and energy with their dog and come up with results like that and it takes a lot of time!!!
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