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Post by Alkemist on Mar 10, 2005 12:52:02 GMT 1
I have had a pup have mast cell tumours diagnosed at 8 months old, he had the tumour start at 7-8 WEEKS old. (Jensen survived, he is now 4).I am trying to do all I can to highlight this to other Weimaraner owners, and to speak to as many other people affected. I have only ever had 1 litter in 12 years of owning Weimaraners, and I have had a 20% incidence of MCT's in that litter. In effect I planned long and hard for that litter, carefully choosing the lines I wanted to use, and I have lost thae one line that I have to this cancer... The vets say continue the line as it isn't hereditary, but until I'm sure I won't do that. Can anyone help with information etc, or has your dog been diagnosed with this....? Feel free to mail me to chat about it if you don't want to publicly announce anything yet....
Nina and Jensen
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Post by germanweim on Mar 11, 2005 9:41:02 GMT 1
hello alkemist,
our first weim had cancer and he died shortly befor he turned 4. hard thing, but at least we knew, that he did not suffer to bad. we were at a dog show around march, then went to denmark to spent some free time there and when we returned, suddenly he had breathing problems. at the night he could not sleep at all and early in the morning we took him to the animal clinic. they found a huge tumor in the back beween the hips and tummy, baby head big.
when we desided to let him operate, they told us, that he is full of cancer. we called into the states to ask, if somthing is knowen about the littermates or his mum? everything is ok, he just had bad luck.
so far we know, none of this site has/had cancer.
elisabeth
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Post by Irena on Apr 29, 2005 10:38:15 GMT 1
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Post by Alkemist on Apr 29, 2005 11:18:49 GMT 1
Thanks for that Irena - confirms some of my 'suspicions'. I think that if MCT's are not hereditary, then there is a genetic predisposition to them. Jensens mum (Amber) had histeocytomas, as mentioned on this thread as 'nothing to worry about', but then I get 20% occurence of MCT's in my litter......  And Jensens was visible at 8 weeks - I kept him rather than let him go to a puppy home as the 2 dogs were pretty similar, but Jensen had what I thought was a wound from another puppy or Mum...... I am having to be really strong with this - I have no lines left, and those lines took me 12 years to build, but I will not use Jensen at stud. The other pup affected was a bitch, and was very successful in the ring, and was to be their foundation bitch too... I am being honest when I say that Anya is our little bit of hope! Nina |
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Post by syrinx on Apr 30, 2005 7:44:30 GMT 1
Good on you, Nina! There are some genetics lists, I have JUST joined one (as in, came through today). I am hoping there will be people there with lots of knowledge of all things genetic, and can maybe point me to great resourses, too. I have not come up against any problems (touch wood!!) but here in Australia, secrets abound. I am getting my stock tested for everything possible, and am presently invloved in identifying some genes that they are looking for. I have no real knowledge, I am just supplying the samples, and trying to talk other people into it. This is von Willebrans disease. A nasty one. So good on you, and good luck with your future in the breed. Wendy  |
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Post by Alkemist on Apr 30, 2005 20:29:19 GMT 1
Wendy Von Willebrands is not a nice disease - the equivalent of human haemophilia. I knew a lovely dobe bitch that did working trials in the UK, and they had to be very careful if she started to bleed. She was also spayed, and that in itself was a minor military operation. The vet kept some doggy blood clotting agent in especially for her.
My neighbours Rottie also had this, I believe. She was at least 10 and for some ridiculous reason, their vet advised a spay. She wasn't right for days, and it appears she was bleeding from her wounds. She eventually collapsed at her home, and the neighbours came to ask for help. I got a sheet, lifted the collapsed dog onto it, and used the sheet as a stretcher to get the dog to the vets.
I mentioned VW to the vet that saw her, as the owners couldn't face going in. The vet agreed it was possible, and I offered to go to the other vets (who was also my vet) for the clotting agent.
They declined, and advised that she be put to sleep. I held her while she passed away.......
So I know from experience that this is not a nice condition. It is genetic, but can also develop with some other conditions. There are tests available. If one parent is a carrier, that is fine, as I believe it is recessive. If both are, then 25% of the pups will have VW of varying degrees, 50% will be carriers, 25% will be unaffected.
It isn't showing up in Weims is it??
Nina
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Post by wendy on May 5, 2005 0:02:32 GMT 1
Hi
VW is showing up in weims and alot of other breeds now. I truely believe that dogs which have health problems of any type should not be bred from.
I have a bitch who reacts severley to injections and forms large sterile abcesses and fluid swellings when injected. I have since discovered that several relatives of hers also react in a similar way.
Due to this i wanted her spayed as i will not risk carrying this on in further generations. Prior to being spayed the vet conducted a bleeding test to check how long it takes her to clot, they were suspicious because of her eactions to injections. Her clotting is well outside normal parameters. The spay was delayed until tests for VW were carried out. These proved negative but the fact remains that she does not clot properly for unknown reasons.
She was eventually spayed several weeks ago with plasma substitute on standby and i am aware of her conditions. Her spay was uneventful thankfully.
I feel that the health of future generations has to be protected by not breeding from dogs which have an existing problem however slight it may seem.
Wendy
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Post by Alkemist on May 5, 2005 6:51:53 GMT 1
Wendy I agree that Weims with health issues should not be bred from. I think that is why there are so many dogs getting affected by so many things. I got clearance from the Animal Health Trust to use Jensen - as they said MCT's wasn't hereditary, but I find it difficult to believe, hence why I won't use him at stud - in fact we may get him castrated when we get Anya - not that we want to do that to him, but we definately don't want any accidents.
It's a shame that people think that it is better to hide health issues.
Nina and Jensen
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And Jensens was visible at 8 weeks - I kept him rather than let him go to a puppy home as the 2 dogs were pretty similar, but Jensen had what I thought was a wound from another puppy or Mum......