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Post by szarasfora on Aug 3, 2005 18:58:44 GMT 1
Kobie's post about importance of HD results made me think about some other health problems regarding breeding weims. My question is: do your weimaraner or kennel clubs require other health examinations before they allow a dog to be bred? Unfortunately we do not have any club requirements in Poland. / to tell the truth we do not have weimarner club here  , only pointing dogs club/. But our Polish kennel club doesn't require any health tests. Of course most responsible breeders check hips but in fact they do not have to do it. What is the situation in your countries? |
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Post by marjolein on Aug 3, 2005 20:40:44 GMT 1
We have to do the hipscoring of course, and we can't breed with a score higher than B2. The dog has to be healthy of course, and dogs with some kind of hereditary dissease are excluded.
Other requirements are an obedience diploma/hunting diploma's and at least 2 show results where the dog has earned at least a good. Than there is this age thing. The bitch has to be at least 2 and not older than 5 for her first litter. You're allowed to breed with bitches older than 8. A bitch should only have one litter per 12 months with a maximum of three litters. When there is the need for a caesarian for the second time, it's not allowed to use this bitch again.
A dog has to be at least 18 months, before he's allowed to be used as a stud.
Inbreeding is not allowed and you're not allowed to use the same stud more than 2 times.
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Post by szarasfora on Aug 3, 2005 21:17:04 GMT 1
Well, although it may be reasonable, this requirement seems to limit you freedom while making up your breeding decisions! I couldn't agree that.
We have just made an inbreed with our stud and his half sister with IC(Inbreeding Coefficient)=18,25%.
8 healthy pups with no sign (up to now of course) of disease. We were lucky but it was our free decision to make that!
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Post by Kobie on Aug 3, 2005 21:31:16 GMT 1
There is a difference between inbreeding and linebreeding.
I do not like inbreedings for example father to daughter. It's too close.
However, half brother to halfsister can give some nice and healthy puppies....
Of course, playing save for these linebred puppies future litters is to do a outcross.
Kobie
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Post by Sylvia on Aug 3, 2005 21:44:44 GMT 1
Well, although it may be reasonable, this requirement seems to limit you freedom while making up your breeding decisions! I couldn't agree that. We have just made an inbreed with our stud and his half sister with IC(Inbreeding Coefficient)=18,25%. 8 healthy pups with no sign (up to now of course) of disease. We were lucky but it was our free decision to make that! Well I must say I really CAN agree with our rules. Because I don't like that inbreeding.... And you can't say yet if the puppies are healthy when they all are turning 10 then I will say they are / were healthy, but you can't say it now. More then 2 (even 2) of the same combinations doesn't give anything new in my opinion. A second time I only can understand if the litter was small or only bitches or males. |
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Post by marjolein on Aug 3, 2005 21:53:35 GMT 1
For me, I'd never go for an IC higher than 5%. I don't like inbreeding at all.
I quite agree with Sylvia when it comes to our rules. There's not much I'd like to change and the things I'd like to see differently, are impossible to change anyway.
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Post by Fala Love'a on Aug 3, 2005 22:41:10 GMT 1
When you want to bred your weim in Poland he/she has to:
1 - a male/female has to be at least 18 months old
2 - male has to get at least 3 x excellent mark at the shows from at least 2 different judges at the age of 15 or more months (at least one of these shows must be CACIB or Club show). The rules for females are the same but she can get 3 x very good as well as excellent mark.
3-The bitch can have one litter per calendar year till the age of 8 years. When she is over 8 years the Kennel Club can give the permission to bred her more if she is in a very good condition and gives high quality pups.
4-Dogs and bitches has to pass hunting trials. It can be Hunting Trials for Young Dogs and here the male has to get Diploma with I degree and a female diploma with at least III degree. Or they can take part in "normal" Hunting Trials (for example Field Trials) and here the dog/bitch has to receives at least Diploma with III degree.
magda
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Post by szarasfora on Aug 4, 2005 8:36:55 GMT 1
Of course I DO NOT say so! I am absolutely aware of the fact that we will see the results of that breeding after a long time.
We can discuss the good and bad points of inbreeding, since there are many different opinions about it.
But as for me there is a great difference between what you CAN do and what you ARE ALLOWED to do.
One may not favour the idea of inbreeding, but he, as a responsible and conscious breeder, should be free in his breeding choices.
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Post by Ingvild on Aug 4, 2005 10:59:14 GMT 1
In Norway:
- Two times 1AK or 1AUK for two different judges.(I think that's what you call excellent, but the dog has to be 15 months or older).
- HD-free (A or B)
- Passed a temperament test. (The owner can choose either a "karaktertest" or "funksjonsanaylse" (more comprehensive) then the "karaktertest".
- Passed two years old.
-The club also "wishes" that the the dog has a prize in retrieving, tracking or hunting (but you are allowed to breed if they don't).
- The breeding committee can choose to not recommend any breeding that they feel is detrimental to the breed. For example because of hereditary diseases, to high % of inbreeding, to may litters ++
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