suebroughton
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Post by suebroughton on Jan 9, 2007 20:39:13 GMT 1
 Hi all. I have decided to have Rana spayed in three weeks time. I have been very ill over Christmas and New Year, and had to leave home to be cared for, couldnt cope with anything, and as she was in season, the worst has happened. Shadow has had his wicked way. Im not sure if she is pregnant, but I do know I dont want her to have pups, so a visit to the vets today was needed to discuss the options. I didnt fancy the injection, it seems very intense and slightly dangerous, so getting her spayed is the only answer. Can anyone please tell me what to expect after its done, and how to deal with things. I know a lot of people will think we are totally irresponsible, but believe me, I have been through the mill, and my hubby has had to keep everything sane here, including running our social club, so please dont think too hard, I just need a bit of advice.
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Post by jai on Jan 9, 2007 21:02:10 GMT 1
Sue years ago when I had a GSD I had her spayed. At the time I was told that there were diffent prices and different risks based on her pregnancy situation. I had her done and it was an all day experience, even to the following day. The vet wanted to be sure she came around and was eating well after the anesthesia.. She had a nice ride home, had to lift her into the van as she was not permitted tojump and also had to isolate her with a gate from the other dogs and use an elizabethan collar so she would not lick or pull at her stitches. In aroun 10 days the stitches dissolved and she was fine. Th whole area where the operation was done was red and swollen and she prefered to lay on the cool floor instead of her bed or the carpet. Marjolein can probably give you some wonderful advice as well, she works with a vet.
good luck.
jai
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Lois
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Post by Lois on Jan 9, 2007 22:42:27 GMT 1
Hi Sue
Sounds like you have had a bad time over Christmas. I had 'Grayce' spayed a few months ago as she had pyometra earlier this year and then she aborted her litter at 3 weeks in September. She is over 6 years old now so thought spaying was in the best interest of her health. She was spayed about 12 noon and I picked her up about 4 and she was really bright and happy to see me. She was hardly groggy at all and when I got her home she trotted off happily to see her mother, brother and the pesky Wasabi. Her incision was only about 8cm (3") long and it healed very quickly. The anaesthetics that are used today are great and don't knock the dogs like the old ones did. My vet apologized for the 'large' incision but said he had to make it longer than he usually does because she was FAT!! (Well she had been pregnant and I was feeding her extra)
Grayce never licked the stitches at all and I had a job keeping her from running around too much. On the plus side of having this beautiful girl spayed after only ever having one litter is that I don't have to go through the stress of her 3 monthly cycles and keeping her brother away from her.
Lois
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suebroughton
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Post by suebroughton on Jan 10, 2007 18:21:34 GMT 1
Thanks guys. I was really dreading your replies because it sounded so blooming irresponsible, but given the circumstances. Yesterday the vet was not pleased AT ALL with me. God. I didnt want to be so ill. Anyhow thanks and I will keep yu informed.
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Post by Rachel on Jan 10, 2007 19:37:58 GMT 1
Sorry to hear you have not been well. Surely the vet will advise you on what is the best course of action to take. I have had bitches spayed and they get on fine, but they have not been in pup at the time, so I cant advise you on that. I think if you don't have her spayed that the mis-mating injection is a good way forward. I am not in favor of these so much now if you want to breed in the future. I had a couple of years ago a dog that mated my bitch. Little devil opened the doors in the house walked out, and then opened up the kennels and just walked in and tied up with a bitch. I now have to literally lock everywhere when a bitch is in season. This dog would do anything to get to a bitch. The point I am making is that the injection then mucked up her seasons, but I took that chance as I did not want her to have puppies at that time. So I am not going to tell you off. I can sympathize how horrid and stressful it is when this kind of thing happens. Just do what is right for your bitch. Having a litter of puppies can be stressful and if you already have not been well, its probably not something you want to go through. If your vet was not helpful, go to another one. U do not have to be told off like a child. It is one of those unfortunate events. Anyone can point the finger, but in the end day, we are all human and can make mistakes. Which I add we learn by. I for eg, literally lock everywhere now when a bitch comes into season, because our houdini can just do human skills and walk out when he wants.
Anyway, get better soon.
Rachel
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Post by Alkemist on Jan 10, 2007 22:58:04 GMT 1
Sorry you have been ill.......
I think I am not qualified to say whether spaying in this way is the best thing, but I think the Vet should have clearly explained what the procedure involved and what risks it carried. If you have her spayed I think almost instantly things will become better for you as you won't have the stress of keeping them apart when she is in season - and we can all have accidents....... Also once your boy knows what he is doing, well, as Rachel has said...........
Something that might be worth asking your vet about is whether he can do anything to help you post op - we had a young vet spay our bitch using keyhole techniques with internal stitches as she was a stitch ripper. It was fantastic, but we accepted that there might be a risk of an undissolved stitch, versus the possibility of her unpicking her stitches. She healed really fast and there was minimal disruption to her - just a thought, don't get upset if they can't do this.
Nina
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Post by Cheryl on Jan 11, 2007 0:08:57 GMT 1
What your vet might be unhappy about is in 3 weeks time...canines do not have 9 months as humans, the dogs only carry for 2 months so the pups will be half way there!
If you are going to do something, the best would be to do it right away to ensure better results.
And yes, the medicine used now is much easier, reversible. Our local vet does not use the reversible, so ask which the vet uses, "the old stuff, or the reversible?"
If the "old stuff" and old method, they make a bigger incision, too. MistyRose went through her spay Dec 3rd and it became inflamed- she was a bit fatty beneath the skin, our weather this past week was 26-28 below zero farenheit! She needed antibiotics and I was really worried for a bit, but now she is a happier, full of herself, tomboy instead of so ladylike as she used to be.
Its above zero today and a big snow, wind blizzard...have not been able to take pictures with both extremes!!
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Post by lizgundog on Jan 11, 2007 8:33:40 GMT 1
Cheryl, I wondered where you have been, you've been hiding under all that snow! While you freeze we are boiling again here in the land down under. Good advice re speying. Most of my bitches that have been speyed recovered almost immediately and never looked back. The worst that can happen after some bitches are speyed is that they will leak (urine) but only the odd few do that.
Liz
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Post by marjolein on Jan 11, 2007 11:00:04 GMT 1
Sue, don't worry about it. These things happen, even if you think you've taken the best precautions (see my thread about my blooming dogs).
I think your vet gave you the best advice.
Of course a lot of things can happen during an op, it nearly ever happens. We've never had a serious problem with a bitch we've spayed in all these years.
Like Liz said, they can start leaking somewhat. Gundogs with docked tails are predisposed (is this the right word), they don't know why though. It's a thought that the docking has something to do with it.
Advantages are that she won't come in season again, she has less chance of getting all these hormonal illnesses and the risk of a pyo is gone.
Will be sending healing thoughts when the time is there!!!
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suebroughton
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Post by suebroughton on Jan 11, 2007 13:07:50 GMT 1
Hi and thank you so much for all replies. I know I am doing the right thing for both Rana, Shadow but more importantly, myself. It seems this illness is a long term thing, and I am very vunerable, I defo dont need a dozen Weims about, much as I adore them. Rana is a very highly strung bitch, and for this reason, the vet didnt want to give the injection, as they have to inject at both sides of the tummy, and apparantly it stings like hell, plus we would have had to take her for another one the day after.... Anyhow, like I tried to tell the vet, she might not even be pregnant, I just wont take the chance. Anyway, thanks, and will let you know how she is on 30th Jan.
Cheryl, how do you suffer those weather conditions....... Mind you, with my hot sweats at the moment, maybe I should come along to your part of the world. LOL
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Post by Cheryl on Jan 11, 2007 18:51:58 GMT 1
The cold, you can always dress for and duck back inside often, whether into a running vehicle or near a running snowmachine or into the house. Liz, I think you who live in hot climates are much braver as I am scared to death of high temperatures! What do you do IF??? My IF's are easy but to survive heat...so scary!
It has to warm up to snow, it was so cold there was not much snow, all of a sudden with the "high" temp we have now, we just got dumped on the past two days and I haven't been able to get near the cabin. Got diverted onto a side road in town because of some emergency (couldn't see what was happening with zero visability) and stuck in a snowdrift, then my tie rod broke and neither the police nor I could get a hold of anyone as the entire city (or small town?) was shutting down to wait out the storm, the city equipment, and they normally have enough, couldn't keep up with the snow. It does take quite a bit of time to do things when its cold, too. The vehicles need to use a lot more gas, don't want to move, you don't want to get out of bed or the house in so much dark...hibernation! December and January are "slow down" months here!
Sue, would it be possible to get Rana done sooner? You might try herbal tea(s) without caffeine for yourself...and cuddle with Rana, even though its hot! Misty is a little like a down comforter!
Have to try (Leslie...LOL) to get off line and get my vehicle out of the road!!!
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Post by Rachel on Jan 11, 2007 19:23:14 GMT 1
When my bitch had the mis-mating injection it was just one done on the scruff of the neck. The vet said they have improved them so much. Aparently years ago the bitch would come back into season 2 weeks later, but now they dont. It just seemed like a long season with really no effects. However the effects were that her seasons were eratic in time scale afterwards, and one reason I did not breed her. She has now settled back into having seasons every 5-6 months.
I guess it does depend on your vets what they will do. But good luck anyway which ever way you go.
Rachel
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