Pedigrees

[Jaeger]

I know in germany the Weimaraner Club gives out the pedigrees. And they make the rules, wheater you can breed your bitch or not and getting a pedigree or not. In other countries it is the Kennel Club who give out the pedigrees, so you can breed your bitch to a dog and you will get a pedigree, whatever objections the Weimaranerclub of the country says. How is it in your country?

[Leslie]

Actually, in France as well each dog must be confirmed by a judge at one year of age. If they do not conform to the standard, they will not get their pedigree and can not be bred. (Or at least not be bred with papers.) They are also given a rating at the time of confirmation.

[Ingvild]

In Norway it is the kennel Club that issues the pedigrees, but the Weimaraner Club has a breeding committee that can "recommend" or "not recommend" a breeding. The breeding committee also have lists of recommended (approved) weimaraner studs and bitches. But there is no automatic recommendation of a breeding even though a both the bitch and the stud are recommended. In other words the breeding committee can choose not to recommend a breeding even though both parents are on the "approved for breeding list". The recommendation of the breeding by the breeding committee has no formal significance, it is only a seal of approval.

[Alkemist]

In the UK, much to my concern, any registered Weim can be bred from. they do not have to conform to the standard to be registered either. It is up to the individual breeder whether or not they register e.g. a mismark. Very close linebreeding is also not regulated, neither is the overuse of studs.
The breed clubs do not have any impact on the registrations.

Nina and Jensen

[daniela]

Hi

Following on from Nina's post really, breeders or any registered owner here whose dog is in their physical possession can endorse their dog/puppies: progeny not eligible for registration and/or not eligible for an export pedigree.

The reasons for the endorsements are at the discretion of the breeder/registered owner.

In the case of the progeny not eligible for registration, it doesn’t stop new owners breeding from their dog/puppy, it does however, prevent them from registering any resulting litters without your consent.

Daniela

[smokeybear]

Interestingly enough in other breeds on the continent very close line breeding is encouraged, but generally breeders are much more well informed on pedigrees etc and because the dogs have to pass so many tests before they can be bred from it rules out the rubbish.

For example in my other breed the GSD, all sires/dams must be hip scored, the sires must be haemophilia tested. The dogs must be breed surveyed twice, once under two years of age and once over within a certain time scale and the grading stays with them for life, this includes very detailed measurements, dentition, weight etc. The dogs are then conformation tested and registered as KK1 or KK2 recommended or suitable for breeding. They must then either do an endurance test or pass Schutzhund 1 before they are considered suitable for breeding.

I am always impressed with the vast knowledge that GSD enthusiasts have since owning one and how they can tell you all sorts about the sire side and the dam side going back generations and what their strengths and weaknesses are/were in both looks and work.

Never found that in any other breed, certainly not in the UK where anyone can mate anything with anything and the true working abilities are not being selected for.

[mojo]

Yes, Leslie is right.

First, the puppy has a certificate of birth....built like a primary pedigree. The dog is not allowed to be bred untill he is approved conform by a judge.

When he is judged conform, you ask for the final pedigree to the SCC.
Then, you are allowed to breed your dog.
To make him him or her RECOMMEND STUD or BITCH. It's more heavy.
RECOMMEND is an official title in the the working values

Our Values are like that:

1= judged conform

2= TAN . Natural ability test at hunting + Hips "A", "B" or "C".

3= EXC3 - Placement EXC in bred game Trial or VERY GOOD in wild game trial + Hips "A", "B"or "C" + EXC in Championship dogshow

4= RECOMMEND -Placement EXC in bred game Trial + VERY GOOD in wild game trial + Hips "A", "B"or "C" + EXC in Championship dogshow.

5= ELITE B -Dog in value TAN (2) who has 3 children in value "EXC3" (3) on two differents bitches.

6=ELITE A - Dog in value RECOMMEND (4) who has 3 children in value "EXC3" (3) on two differents bitches.

So, undertand that the 4 first points are on the own qualities of work of the dog.
The lasts points are on the qualities he gives to the puppies.

So, I'm proud of my Vini who won his RECOMMEND STUD title at only 18 month....Hey Leslie ! Work for us now !

Chris