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Post by slava on Oct 11, 2005 22:57:51 GMT 1
Someone here in Russia may call that color - "wet asphalt". Lol.
And Irena. In US your idea can lead to the situation when BLUE weims or "afroamerican" weims starts to exploit their uniqueness against other part of the weims society.
I just hear as Blue Weimaraner refuse to go in field for a game or retrieve birds from the cold water.....
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Post by Ingvild on Oct 11, 2005 23:34:44 GMT 1
I have never seen a "blue weim" in real life, but this is the color I thought people were talking about. For me this color is blue and not grey or charcoal: www.stendal.nu/Blaweim.htmlIt seems to me that this color is very different then the picture posted(?). I asked one of the "oldest" breeders here about blue weims and she said she had never seen any in Scandinavia or Germany, but that might very well be because breeders would put these puppies down. |
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Post by anne on Oct 12, 2005 19:58:43 GMT 1
<<BTW anybody knows what are genetic codes for weimaraners color?>> bbdd is Gray - bb being the recessive brown color and dd being the dilute genes B-dd is Blue - B being the dominant black dolro and of course, the d being dilute. <<are there are reasons why blues lovers in the US can't get together and form a new breed, say, the American Blue Weimaraner, and get the AKC to accept it?>> It's been tried a couple times... As of right now, there is no one (as far as I know) interested in taking a leadership role in this.... <<In US your idea can lead to the situation when BLUE weims or "afroamerican" weims starts to exploit their uniqueness against other part of the weims society.>> Could you explain what you mean? Because Blue and Gray have a pure dominant/recessive relationship, if you don't want Blues, you dont' ahve to breed them. Only a Blue dog can create other Blues. 2 Blues can have Grays. You can get rid of Blues in ONE generation. <<I just hear as Blue Weimaraner refuse to go in field for a game or retrieve birds from the cold water.....>> Hm, my Blue goes into the field (actually had her out this morning before work)  and will retrieve from water: www.weim.net/riley/images/indywater.mpgBlues are the same dog as the Gray Weims. They have the same peculiarities, same outlook on life, same hunting abilities, etc. The only way they have changed is that they have suffered from poor breeding practices since the disqualification of the coat color in 1972. <<It seems to me that this color is very different then the picture posted(?)>> That looks the same to me! I guess that sort of shows you the problems with semantics and of course certain pictures look a little different than real life, and even in real life the color looks different depending on lighting etc. |
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Post by slava on Oct 12, 2005 21:53:33 GMT 1
anne!
Thank you for explanation color genes.
I didn't mean to hurt anyone feelings about blue weims. Really I like their appearance and
don't see any reasons why blue colored weims should be disqualified or separated.
It was just feeble attempt to make fun of human habit to create strained problems ...
Pardon me if it was clumsy.
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Post by anne on Oct 12, 2005 22:18:47 GMT 1
No apology needed. I didn't realize you were joking! My fault! I apologize if I was defensive!
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Post by simona on Oct 14, 2005 20:18:22 GMT 1
Hi to all. I was asked today by Irene to send pictures of possibilities of grey color. Before two weeks I was in stud visit in Holland to a really silver grey gentleman. My bitch - Ajda is average grey as a most of population but in comparation to her husband she looks dark /almost like black and white teriers on scotch whisky  / [ img ]http://www.weimaraner.cz/foto/kryti_liam_a_ajda2.JPG[ / img ] So as you can see you have a lot of chances to have your weimaraner in lot of tones of grey. To see another photos please take a look on my websites www.weimaraner.cz |
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Post by simona on Oct 14, 2005 20:27:42 GMT 1
Hi to all. I was asked today by Irene to send pictures of possibilities of grey color. Before two weeks I was in stud visit in Holland to a really silver grey gentleman. My bitch - Ajda is average grey as a most of population but in comparation to her husband she looks dark /almost like black and white teriers on scotch whisky / [ img ]http://www.weimaraner.cz/foto/kryti_liam_a_ajda2.JPG[ / img ] I am sorry but posting photo doesnt work on first time, if it wouldnt work now please go straight by the link www.weimaraner.cz/foto/kryti_liam_a_ajda2.JPG So as you can see you have a lot of chances to have your weimaraner in lot of tones of grey. To see another photos please take a look on my websites www.weimaraner.cz |
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Post by Irena on Oct 14, 2005 20:47:37 GMT 1
Simona, thank you so much for posting, I think this is a wonderful illustration of Weim colours - to be honest, that's the first time I've seen such a striking difference between 2 grey dogs....  |
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Post by Jaeger on Oct 14, 2005 21:13:20 GMT 1
Please go back in your memory Irena. You have been on the Worldwinner 2002 in Amsterdam
There, although the judging was inside you could have seen the same difference in coulor.
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Post by marjolein on Oct 14, 2005 21:18:02 GMT 1
Yes Irena, start paying attention, LOL!! Shame I didn't know you back then. I was there.
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Post by Irena on Oct 14, 2005 21:40:21 GMT 1
You guys are right again....  That's right, I may have seen it but wasn't paying attention, and I'm awful at noticing details that I'm not looking for.  |
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Post by Jaeger on Oct 14, 2005 21:41:52 GMT 1
There were 76 Weimaraners entered that Winner from 16 different countries. But I can understand, you only saw "grey" dogs and bitches. It was then in that time you were still "Weimless" So grey was grey.
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Post by anne on Oct 15, 2005 20:25:46 GMT 1
That is a nice illustration of the difference in shade. My 2 grays are like that, different shades. Of course the difference between blue and gray are not shade, but tone. Some blues like Leslie's are very light (shade difference).
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Post by slava on Nov 11, 2005 18:08:43 GMT 1
We just have a rather stupid dispute on dogs color genetics with one russian expert and judge. I'll be very gratefull if anybody can indicate me where to look for the corresponding bibliography.  Thanks in advance |
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Post by anne on Nov 11, 2005 20:08:19 GMT 1
These are two excellent sites on coat color genetics: bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.htmlskyway.usask.ca/~schmutz/dogcolors.htmlFor books, Clarence C. Little, The Inheritance of Coat Color in Dogs is a classic (and very hard to find!) Jackie Isabell, Genetics: An Introduction For Dog Breeders is also very good and is written by a Weim person to boot! Weimaraner Ways has a section on coat color genetics as well |
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Post by Alkemist on Nov 11, 2005 22:16:31 GMT 1
I have noticed (since Anya joined us) the colour differences in my Weims even more. Anya could be described as 'darker' than my 'pale' grey old weim. But she is certainly more 'grey', than the other 2 weims I have (mother and son) who I think have an awful beige - orange cast on their coat. I think the same applies to blues - the pic Ingvild posted is one I have seen before, and lnicoles pic of her blue - and Annes of Riley, do not seem as 'blue'. Do the blues have the same variation of colours than the greys? (sorry if that seems a dumb question ) I have an old 'pan book of dogs', by Catherine Fisher - who is described as a hugely successful terrier breeder, and the description of a weim is - well interesting to say the least  'A German Short haired pointer - sometimes known as the grey ghost because of it's unusual coloring, which may be PALE FAWN, SILVER GREY, BLUE AND WHITE, or WHITE FLECKED...... and she continues.... they are very gentle dogs, very easy to train. They do not thrive when kept as kennel dogs, and love to take their full share of family life.' This lady died in 1969, the book is dated 1963, first published 1968. She is not a Weim person, but I wonder where she got the ideas of colour from? Just thought I'd share that... Nina |
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Post by slava on Nov 11, 2005 22:39:59 GMT 1
Oh! Greate! Thank you very very very:) much! And some joke in repay  "My wife is tender like Bolognese" - said Frenchman. "My wife is slender as Greyhound" - said Englishman. "I don't know the breed of my wife - said Russian - but sure she is a real bitch" |
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Post by anne on Nov 11, 2005 23:34:37 GMT 1
Hi Nina,
Riley is not Blue. It's my bitch Indy that is Blue. There's definitely different degrees of darkness in Blues.
Very interesting quote, thanks for sharing!
Anne
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Post by syrinx on Nov 22, 2005 11:55:42 GMT 1
Wow, Nina, she seems to have the Wei, the GSP and goodness knows what confused. Truely she is one of the Dog World greats LOL!!
Wendy
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Post by Jurate on Feb 24, 2006 13:50:10 GMT 1
Hi everyone, I'd like to ask, well I am translating Weimaraner standart to lithuanian language and I want to ask: Is this pup the example of one of the points from standart "Dog with definite reddish-yellow marking <Brand>"?  |
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