Mismarking

[Weims]

Does anyone have experience of or know of any weims that are mismarked? Apparently the most common mismark is the "ginger/tan" markings like a dobe. But what about the peach mismark?

Lynn

[daniela]

Dear Lynn

My understanding is this is just a turn of phrase for the same thing.

It's funny that you should mention it actually because I was just saying to my friend last month, that I have seen a couple of Weims with it recently and it must be a good 10-15 years since I last saw any Weims with ginger points.

Daniela

[anne]

Dobe markings pop up here every now and again. I've never heard of peach mismark, must be the same thing?

[Alkemist]

Hi Lynn,

Last I heard of a mis-marked was a dog advertised for sale with 'rare' markings hehehe.

I also don't know what is meant by peach. I know that when 2 of my dogs are coating, they get awful ginger cast on the croup and the tail - so any tips on how to encourage the coat to change quicker would be much appreciated!

Nina and Jensen

[daniela]

Sorry I should have mentioned earlier but the peach markings you refer to, may be deemed as such when they are seen on a pale Weimaraner.

I guess it depends on the shade of the whole dog as to how ginger the markings will be.

Daniela

[smokeybear]

Peach, dobe, ginger jobs are all differing terminology for the same issue.

The most striking example of this I ever saw was a Weim that used to compete in Working Trials, singleton puppy and very strong dobe markings.

Seen quite a few over the years, particularly when I go to assess dogs for rescue.

[Lois]

I think I have see the 'peach' color being referred to and it is quite a different color to the tan or ginger markings. Several years ago I visited a litter bred by a friend and there were two puppies in the litter that had quite distinct cream (or pale peach) doberman markings. The dam of this litter had produced a puppy with the same mis marking in a previous litter too. This was the only time I have seen this type of markings. I would best describe it as the color of a manillla folder - more a deep, rich cream colour rather than peach.

Regards

Lois

[smokeybear]

Do you think that the colour depends on the colour of the dog though Lois?

The markings I have seen have correlated with coat colour ie the darker the grey the deeper the dobe markings. The peachy ones I have seen have been with what I call a "beige" coat rather than a strictly grey one.

[Lois]

No, the pups were a normal Weimaraner grey color. It was a very distinct color. If you look at the photo on page 96 of the Weimaraner Ways book, the color of the underside of the the tail of the dog pictured is the same. It is different color to the tan that is pictured on the other dog. Far more distinct and it appeared on the sides of the face, eyebrows, under tail and up all legs. Wish I had photos!

Lois

[Weims]

Hi All,

The puppies I have seen with the mismarking I am referring to have peach/beige blotches (for want of a better description) down their front legs and on the muzzle and head. It isnt just the eyebrows or on the front point of the shoulders like a dobe markings. I was speaking to our Club President and she said she had seen quite a lot of the "dobe" mismarks over the years but the "peach" were around years ago but she hadnt seen any for a long time. Now I have seen 2 litters but I cant find a common denominator??? The first litter I saw the breeder thought that because she had mopped the whelping box with Milton fluid she had accidentally "bleached" the puppies and not dried the box adequately as she had not seen mismarked puppies before. She was put right by someone else. The second litter I have seen was from a bitch from this litter but the sire was from completely different lines? A second bitch from the first litter has recently had a litter and no mismarked pups.

I wish I could get a pic to show you but the puppies have all gone to their new homes. They were all lovely healthy pups. I am trying to find out if there is anyone who could help me with regards to the genetics of this whole scenario.

Lynn

[smokeybear]

Lynn the ones I have seen have what I would term the "classic" dobe or rott markings ie on all legs, head, muzzle etc. Not seen any blotchy ones.

[daniela]

Perhaps the theory of the Weimaraner being a descendant of the Bloodhound is correct hence the tan like markings.

I have never seen blotches though maybe this will even out in adulthood?

If you want to know more about the genetics of it, speak to Dr Jeff Sampson at the Kennel Club, he’s incredibly knowledgeable and can probably shed some light on it. Having said that, one would surely need to know how the Weimaraner came into existence to really pin point it.

Daniela

Daniela

[daniela]

Hi

Thought I would share this with you because I remember this being brought up on the forum....

Today, for the first time ever, I saw a Weimaraner with peach markings which did not correlate with its colour - in that it wasn't a 'pale' coloured Weim.

First of all, I saw this Weimaraner from the back and noticed the peach colouring under its tail. Remembering what you had mentioned Lois, I moved around to the front and both its front legs, half way up from its paws were a pale peach. I was mesmerised because I have seen ginger markings around the face and eyebrows before but never this.

I didn't get a chance to chat with the owner but it was certainly an eye opener because the peach markings were all up the front legs too, almost like it had been dipped in paint. Totally even too.

You live and learn, as I always thought the extent of the ginger correlated with the overall coat colour but in this case it didn't.

[daniela]

On reading your posts Lois, I would have said the colour of this dog's markings were a plae peach similar to what you have described.

I wish I'd have taken some pictures with my mobile phone but I was so engrossed, I forgot.

[syrinx]

I have some pics of a very striking Dobe-marked Wei in the USA and would be happy to send them to anyone who emails me at [e-mail] . If you look at any black & tan or blue & tan or choc & tan dogs, you will see that the tan can differ from dog to dog. When you add in a dilution gene as well, you get lots of variation. I have heard of dogs that show it only in certain light as it is so pale, through to quite dark ones. I guess the Isabella Dobe would have variations too, to some point. My family have bred Min Pins since 1977, and I have seen differing tans in them, some lines here - not ours, I'd like to mention- seem to have paler tans, and washed out colours, more than others.

[daniela]

Hi Wendy

I would be interested to see the pictures. You have my email address, I think. If not I can send you an email.

Many thanks in advance

[tasha]

the peach points dog I have seen comes from an australian line

[christina]

How strange that this particular subject about ginger/tan markings is coming up again today.... I was just about to ask you all a question concerning coats .... ginger coats in particular.

Further down there is a thread on "Wire-haired Weimaraners". At the time I had asked if anyone would recognize the condition of my Kimber's orange and awful coat. Wendy suggested copper deficiency, which I did follow up, but it was another dead end (sorry Wendy - I'll still buy you a drink )

Today I came across a website on a condition called "Coat Funk", which describes Kimber's coat to a T. Only snag is that so far this has only been observed in 'Northern breeds' like Malamutes, Huskies and Akitas.

My question to you all - has anyone heard of or know of a Weim with "Coat Funk" ?

Christina

[marjolein]

I had no idea what it was and no, have never seen it or heard about it.

www.minnesotamalamuteclub.com/coatfunk.htm

[tasha]

if your dog has an organe coat and is a weimaraner ask your vet to check for 'cushings' its very important that its diagnosed early because if your vet starts giving steroids it has the potential to do more harm than good. for some reason Cushings in the weimaraner changes the colour of the coat to an orange and it becomes very course to touch, over a period of time they start to get pot bellied and yet very thing, they lose the coat on their body and legs in patches evntually leading to death. My rescue that I took on had cushings and it can be treated but not cured, he lasted 2 1/2 years instead of the three months we were expecting and died aged 15.

If your dog does have cushings one word of advice the drugs that they give to help it damage the dogs liver so if you can moderate them to suit your dog its better Kane had arthritus as well so needed the steroids for that but in the end I moderated his drugs and it helped both, its very hit and miss but I can help you if you need it and tell you what to look out for.