Show and Gundog question

[lisa33]

I was wondering if anyone could answer my very frustrating query?

I know there is a specific line for show weimarners which is the gunalt. But what is the one for gundog?

I was told this a very long time ago and can't think for the life of me what it is

Could someone please put me out of my misery?!

[marjolein]

Maybe Hasselune (sp??) or Trubon?

[lizgundog]

Try contact Gillian Burgoin - Ragstone Kennels as she would be sure to know who to contact regarding trialling.
Liz.

[lisa33]

Thank you

I don't want to go into trials, I just wanted to know the breed line for the gundog weimaraner.

[Alkemist]

I don't think there is only 1 line for working Weimaraners in the UK, nor is there only 1 line for showing . Weimaraners in the UK are perfectly able to do both showing and working (at this point in time), the big issue for peeps in the UK is the attitude of most of the 'working' fraternity to Weimaraners, and access to land to work and trainers who are willing to put aside the Weimaraners reputation and get on with the job.

That being said, the Chants have recently bred the breeds 2nd FTCh - their affix is Quadet, Suzi Burton breeds under the affix Trubon, but I would be tempted to look at the dogs pedigree - for example is Sascha von Zenthof (or Salto) in there? Are there any Ragstone or Monroes in there, are there any other lines in there that have working achievements. There is more to it than merely picking a certain kennel and going with it - but that is just my very humble opinion.

Nina

[weimaranermama]

I agree with Nina. Look into the Pedigrees and search for weimies with huntingachievements.
Maby you can take a look on the huntingtests and ask there around.
Succes,
Ina

[simona]

I had to agree with Alkemist about allround abilities of UK weim. My male Sireva Drake At Sirius Nova is geting very well on shows and in the age of one year he was also winner in fields exams (not field trial, here is more disciplines, about 14, also retrievring with hare, pheasant and duck) and two months latter he passed hard wood exam (about 20 discplines, the hardest are mainly with fox, blood tracking is also included). So well Drake is really allround. Now I have at home small HOllieseast girl. Her name is Hollieseast Perlenkette at Sirius Nova ( Sireva Statecoach x Hollieseast Liebestraum). Her exterier is really promising, I liked her so much and one week ago she pointed for the first time pheasant. I put a big hopes also to her hunting instincts. She is natural retriever

[weimaranermama]

That's wonderfull to read. I like this combination most. Of course the dogs must be healthy.
Simona, did you train your dog yourself? I do.
Gr. Ina

[simona]

Hallo Ina.
Yes I do and I like to do that

[tasha]

Just out of interest as I am VERY familiar with the hunting lines in the uk what would the problem be with Sascha von Zenthof? Other than the fact of course that the line throws what can be very good dogs for the german man work test... Personally I wouldn't write off any of the lines in the UK they all have their problems Gunalt although a show line does have its working dogs you need to LOOK at the pedigrees you'll also find gunalt behind several of the dogs in the UK being recommended as good hunting stock.

Some of the Uk hunting lines are, Aschfahl, Ansona, Moganna, Trubon, Hasselune, Rockleyan, Parhelis, Enryb, Sireva, Forgun, Quadet, Brackabreeze these are just a few they all have overlapping pedigrees to some degree. The dogs from Forgun for example come from a lineage that includes the original field trial champion Wobrooke of Fleetapple.

Ragstone no longer breed weimaraners although Gillian is my hero regarding the breed they have a lovely Rodesian Ridgeback last time I made a visit. Even the Gunalt lines have Ragstone in their pedigrees mine included... yes I own a gunalt and I am VERY proud of her she is a good steady working dog although from very good show lines.

I think something you need to remember for dogs in the UK is that we do not have a very strong hunting community here (they tend to use labs, spaniels) or tests that are available to all so ability is not harnessed to the best of its ability either in the dogs or in the handlers for the most part. There has been a significant increase in the number of people participating in Working Tests which is a good start but few go on to do field trialling (lottery type draw as to whether you can enter in the first place and only 12 dogs per trial few going to the weimaraner as a breed). The lines that have been recommended in earlier posts are all dogs that have a recent European line to them.

If you were looking for a puppy now then I would suggest contacting Suzi B she has an excellent litter from Trubon Arade Tribute (fenny) to Grafite Greystones (Graf: Morganna Mymax von Bankfield / Tribart Delight) personally I am waiting for a puppy from her german line through her two bitches Trubon Bibe Tres & Trubon Bren Tartuf (Alf Zur Uhlenfluct / Trubon Arade Tribute).

[Alkemist]

Tasha are you assuming that I implicated Sashas presence in a pedigree as a problem? - I am not, but if you are looking for a hunting dog, Sasha would be a REALLY good dog to have in there.

Nina

[sian]

Just to give a UK LH perspective....

Both of Cassie's parents (Vimana el Supremo and Tomirsin Aoife) were good hunting dogs. In fact, her mum had just come back from her first hunt after the puppies were born, when we went to see them.

And also the problem with training your dog to hunt in the UK....
Cassie has good hunt, point and retrieve instincts, and we felt it would be good to channel her youthful energies into this. We contacted the local gundog training groups. They were delighted that they were going to get a new member. All excited they were - until they heard that she was a Weimaraner. "We don't allow weimaraners to join".... I didn't persue it any further, as training my first dog with such hostility would not benefit either of us. If this is normal in the UK, then there are probably many dogs, from lots of different lines, that are desperate to work, but can't!
Sian

[tasha]

No we don't have that problem sian thankfully, we have a good community here that give training and many of the clubs although breed specific offer open training days to others so thats not our problem, its more that we don't have much opportunity to get young dogs onto shoots although that is changing slowly with the introduction of nobs (www.nobs.org.uk) which is the National Organisation of Beaters and Pickers Up, they help to place beaters on shoots and shoot with beaters so its mutual. Before most shoots were closed if you didn't know someone on the shoot already which is a pity because it made it impossible to find somewhere to at least get your foot through the door in the hunting community.

Our biggest problem at the moment is misconception, as an example I made a home visit for the placement of a dog for rescue and when I mentioned gundog training his face screwed up and he said 'oh no we don't do guns' after my explaination that the most dangerous thing you are likely to see is a 1lb dummy he wasn't do put off and at the end of the conversation is looking forward to his first visit to training. Our hunting is being eroded through the british press and gives the general public an appauling view of our sport, the reality of which is far from the impression that is given.

We also because of space have very limited hunting available and lots of different breeds who already do the job so its difficult to break into it, I persisted with Bonnie and we now have three regular shoots during the season as well as several others that I fill in on when they are short.

I think that is something you do have to be, persistant and open minded :-)

[tasha]

Nina re Sacha yes sorry I thought you wanted to avoid Sacha, personally if you are breeding a litter and they are not all going to hunting/active working homes then to be honest I would avoid it, sadly too many end up in rescue with poor temperments and have to be put to sleep, something we all want to avoid.