The Weimaraner Standard by WCA

[Ilana]

An excellent presentation of the Weim standad,

The Weimaraner Standard - An In-Depth Study

Produced by the Weimaraner Club of America Breeders' Education Committee

www.weimclubamerica.org/weimaraner_standard/index.html

I am proud that my love Zippo is one of the "model" for trot gait with his two pictures


Ilana

[Fala Love'a]

I thought it was Zippo! hehe

Great thing is that presentation.

Cheers
M&K

[Steve Graham]

Ah, yes. The WCA that knows what's best for everybody and is the only organization in the world that is trying to stamp out the longhaired variety.

[weimaranermama]

Yes, and that's a very bad thing in my opinion.

[tasha]

and recognise the blue...

[daniela]

How does one go about getting a variety or breed recognised by the AKC? Does it have to be put forward by a breed club or can anyone put in an application?

[Steve Graham]

daniela said:

How does one go about getting a variety or breed recognised by the AKC? Does it have to be put forward by a breed club or can anyone put in an application?

Either way. See: www.akc.org/reg/fss_details.cfm

Note that there are some breed clubs and enthusiasts in the United States who do NOT want AKC recognition. I'm familiar with some hunting breeds where that's the case, e.g. German longhaired pointers, pudelpointers, large Munsterlanders. The small Munsterlander is currently under consideration by the AKC as the result of some breakaway members of the non-AKC small Munsterlander club.

[daniela]

sdgraham said:

daniela said:

How does one go about getting a variety or breed recognised by the AKC? Does it have to be put forward by a breed club or can anyone put in an application?

Either way. See: www.akc.org/reg/fss_details.cfm

Note that there are some breed clubs and enthusiasts in the United States who do NOT want AKC recognition. I'm familiar with some hunting breeds where that's the case, e.g. German longhaired pointers, pudelpointers, large Munsterlanders. The small Munsterlander is currently under consideration by the AKC as the result of some breakaway members of the non-AKC small Munsterlander club.

Thanks for the link.

If an individual can apply, has anyone applied or is it the “done” thing to go through the breed club?

[tasha]

The longhair had an application but was rejected not sure if they would include it now though.

There are some articles in the WCA magasine I'll try and dig them out when I get back if anyone is interested.

There are some breeds in the UK that don't want or seek Kennel Club registration either the Patterdale Terrier is one, its been around for 100+ years have their own registration and clubs but they don't want to join because they don't want the over breeding that goes on with in the show community and want to keep the breed working.

[Steve Graham]

daniela said:

If an individual can apply, has anyone applied or is it the “done” thing to go through the breed club?

Some individuals, calling themselves a "club" have applied for recognition of the small Munsterlander (in conflict with the larger small Munsterlander club in the U.S.) The AKC doesn't care about clubs until they become recognised as the defining club for a breed.

For example, the WCA is the only recognised breed club for the Weimaraner.

[daniela]

sdgraham said:

daniela said:

If an individual can apply, has anyone applied or is it the “done” thing to go through the breed club?

Some individuals, calling themselves a "club" have applied for recognition of the small Munsterlander (in conflict with the larger small Munsterlander club in the U.S.) The AKC doesn't care about clubs until they become recognised as the defining club for a breed.

For example, the WCA is the only recognised breed club for the Weimaraner.

Hi Steve

I guess what I was really wanting to know is whether anyone has actually put in an application to the AKC for the longhair Weimaraner. If it can be done individually as opposed to a breed club, then......why not, unless that is not the "done" thing there?

If someone has put in an application and it was was rejected, does the AKC then give the applicant reasons why? If someone has already applied, how long ago did they apply? Do you have to have a certain amount of numbers already there, say fifty dogs or the like before it will be considered?

Sorry for all the questions. Just curious.......

[Steve Graham]

tasha said:

The longhair had an application but was rejected not sure if they would include it now though.

I'm not sure precisely whereof you speak.

One problem is that after receiving a mountain of complaints from show people about the number of "varieties" in the show ring, e.g. having three Dachshunds competing for best in group), the AKC declared that no more varieties would be created and thus threw the baby out with the bathwater because the longhaired Weimaraner is a recognised variety in the FCI and elsewhere.

Several years ago, the WCA held a "vote" as to whether the longhair should be accepted. The WCA does not deal well with minority opinions and since the organisation is controlled by foes of the longhair, the result was predictable.

The excuse was that since the longhair would have to be shown with the shorthaired variety, judges would tend to put up the longhaired dogs and through the kind of breeding done by show breeders, the Weimaraners would soon start looking like Irish Setters.

In Canada, however, the fear has been expressed that judges would prefer the short-haired dogs. As they say in New York, "Go figure"

Dog shows aside, however, the visceral objections to the longhaired Weimaraner by the WCA elites are evidenced by the refusal of the WCA to allow longhaired Weimaraners to participate in ANY WCA event, i.e. ratings (hunt) tests, field futurities, etc.

What this has to do with show judges, is obvious - NOTHING.

Under the WCA so-called "Code of Ethics," one supposedly cannot breed a longhaired Weimaraner. Moreover, I'm given to understand that some WCA types want to use the DNA test to preclude breeding of longhair carriers as well. (On the other hand, they condone the breeding of dogs that don't hunt, don't point and can't run, but I digress) They award a thing called a "V" for versatile to dogs that never have been in the field.

Fortunately, we have many alternative venues in the United States to enjoy our hunting dogs and where the WCA is irrelevant.

[Steve Graham]

daniela said:

I guess what I was really wanting to know is whether anyone has actually put in an application to the AKC for the longhair Weimaraner.

Not to my knowledge, but I don't think any of us owners of longhairs want to see it adopted as a separate breed, which is a concept strongly rejected in Germany.

Moreover, I think the AKC, which does pay attention to the FCI, would regard it unfavorably or at least ask the WCA. In other words, they regard the WCA as the sole representative of the breed.

Unless one is interested in showing dogs, there's no advantage whatsoever in going the separate breed route.

[chiendog]

You know, I clicked the link and actually sat through the entire presentation.

I now wish I could have the last 15 minutes of my life back. I think I threw up in my mouth just a little bit...

Nothing against the dogs, they seemed to be very pretty......but (and it might just be the single malt talking so please excuse my French) if the fat-arsed show crowd would spent half of the amount of time on field work as they spend on trying to figure out how many freaking faeries can fit on the end of a freaking pin, our breed would not be in the sorry shape it so obviously is in.

Qu'ils cessent d'enculer les mouches et qu'ils aillent a la chasse!!!

Here is the best analysis of a standard I have ever seen. It is for terriers, but with some adjustments, it could serve very well for the weim. (I ripped it off from a really good site about dogs www.terrierman.com/rosettestoruin.htm

HEAD: should be strong, and encased in the skull should be a brain capable of showing intelligence and a fair amount of obedience and respect with some affection.
NECK: should be strong and muscular, joining the head to the body.
CHEST: should be big enough to hold the heart of a lion, but small enough to enable its owner to follow the quarry into extremely tight corners.
LEGS: should be long, or short, according to the work envisaged by the terrain of the area where he is to be employed. The legs should be powerful enough to carry the owner through a hard day.
FEET: four, one at the end of each leg, with extremely tough pads.
COAT: whether rough or smooth, white or colored, should be dense and tight, to keep its wearer warm and facilitate cleaning without holding too much earth and water.
BACK: strong and supple.
TAIL: for preference, a working terrier should have a tail.
EYES: of great assistance above ground.
EARS: yes, two.
NOSE: should be able to detect and evaluate any slight scent.
TEETH: should be as large and as strong as possible, firmly secured in a muscular jaw, capable of biting powerfully and holding a firm grip.

[daniela]

OK, now I get the picture

How many longhaired Weims you reckon you got there? I realise in a country as vast as the US it's hard to put a number on it, but those that are active, do you keep in contact?

And what about the breeding of longhairs there?

Enough questions

[chiendog]

daniela said:

OK, now I get the picture

How many longhaired Weims you reckon you got there? I realise in a country as vast as the US it's hard to put a number on it, but those that are active, do you keep in contact?

And what about the breeding of longhairs there?

Enough questions

I am sure Steve has more accurate numbers but I would figure that there are less than two dozen good working LH Weims in north america (Steve has two)...there are perhaps a few hundred others laying on couches in the US and Canada...I'm not sure how many of those could find meat in a butcher's shop but if I had to guess, I would say, two. Maybe.

[Steve Graham]

daniela said:

How many longhaired Weims you reckon you got there?

I'm guessing a couple of hundred. Some of us keep in contact. Most just enjoy their dogs. I've brought three from Germany and Glenn Myers in Montana has imported a couple as well and has bred some.

And what about the breeding of longhairs there?

A few dogs are bred each year and the number seems to be increasing.

The AKC will happily register them as full-fledged Weimaraners. The only thing one cannot do is enter them in the conformation competition or a WCA-ONLY event. (The WCA cannot keep them out of AKC-sanctioned events other than the show ring).

It's quite simple to import a puppy from Germany - sometimes easier than getting one from the other side of the U.S.

Most people who get longhairs just seem to quietly enjoy them and don't annoy the status quo.

There is no mechanism for maintaining German registration such as is done by the Deutsch Drahthaar, Deutsch Kurzhaar and (just recently) Deutsch Langhaar owners. A few of us explored the possibility a while back, but we really don't have the numbers.

I'm happy to answer any questions. Don't be bashful.

[daniela]

chiendog said:

Here is the best analysis of a standard I have ever seen. It is for terriers, but with some adjustments, it could serve very well for the weim. (I ripped it off from a really good site about dogs www.terrierman.com/rosettestoruin.htm

HEAD: should be strong, and encased in the skull should be a brain capable of showing intelligence and a fair amount of obedience and respect with some affection.
NECK: should be strong and muscular, joining the head to the body.
CHEST: should be big enough to hold the heart of a lion, but small enough to enable its owner to follow the quarry into extremely tight corners.
LEGS: should be long, or short, according to the work envisaged by the terrain of the area where he is to be employed. The legs should be powerful enough to carry the owner through a hard day.
FEET: four, one at the end of each leg, with extremely tough pads.
COAT: whether rough or smooth, white or colored, should be dense and tight, to keep its wearer warm and facilitate cleaning without holding too much earth and water.
BACK: strong and supple.
TAIL: for preference, a working terrier should have a tail.
EYES: of great assistance above ground.
EARS: yes, two.
NOSE: should be able to detect and evaluate any slight scent.
TEETH: should be as large and as strong as possible, firmly secured in a muscular jaw, capable of biting powerfully and holding a firm grip.

When I read this, I see a child's crayoned interpretation of a dog. In my head, the picture is pinned to the fridge but that maybe just my attraction to food. LOL ;D

[daniela]

sdgraham said:

daniela said:

How many longhaired Weims you reckon you got there?

I'm guessing a couple of hundred. Some of us keep in contact. Most just enjoy their dogs. I've brought three from Germany and Glenn Myers in Montana has imported a couple as well and has bred some.

And what about the breeding of longhairs there?

A few dogs are bred each year and the number seems to be increasing.

The AKC will happily register them as full-fledged Weimaraners. The only thing one cannot do is enter them in the conformation competition or a WCA-ONLY event. (The WCA cannot keep them out of AKC-sanctioned events other than the show ring).

It's quite simple to import a puppy from Germany - sometimes easier than getting one from the other side of the U.S.

Most people who get longhairs just seem to quietly enjoy them and don't annoy the status quo.

There is no mechanism for maintaining German registration such as is done by the Deutsch Drahthaar, Deutsch Kurzhaar and (just recently) Deutsch Langhaar owners. A few of us explored the possibility a while back, but we really don't have the numbers.

I'm happy to answer any questions. Don't be bashful.

Thanks for filling in the gaps. I wish you the best of luck with them. The longhaireds intrigue me.

[Cheryl]

I am registering Boris with AKC, CKC, and NAVHDA this month, along with his original registration from The Netherlands- he lives and breathes to hunt so we are joining the Greatland NAVHDA chapter in Alaska which is not within the 48 contiguous states (Alaska and Hawaii are the exceptions). He'll be recorded as a purebred weimaraner, see his smile below- born and bred to hunt - every breath:)