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Post by Jurate on Jun 26, 2007 14:18:03 GMT 1
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Post by tasha on Jun 27, 2007 16:30:25 GMT 1
irresponsible.... at the end of the day its a cross breed. Poodles used to be good hunting dogs though so might be an interesting combination better than one of the ones I saw recently bull terrier x weimaraner... can't imagine a weimaraner with a lock jaw or a bull terrier with a hunting instinct of a weimaraner  |
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Post by jai on Jun 27, 2007 17:50:40 GMT 1
OMG I can't believe someone would do that! And the price.. unbelieveable.
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Post by Speeds on Jun 27, 2007 19:33:10 GMT 1
Hmmm.
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Post by Rachel on Jun 28, 2007 8:45:04 GMT 1
How come two look just like Weimaraners and the rest cross bred??? We have some one fairly local to us that breeds what he call's fenlander puppies. These are Weimaraner cross springer spaniels, and I was in the vets when one came in with his owner. He looked solid liver in colour and I thought it was a GSP, the only difference was it had short legs, with a Weim body and Weim head shape. He charges I think in the region of £450-00 a puppy. The breeder told the owner that he crosses to make a better working gundog .......urrrr........All I could think of was a manic Springer with a Weimaraners hunting ability could be a dangerous mix, but what do you guys think  Rachel |
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Post by greyghost on Jun 28, 2007 10:50:55 GMT 1
How come two look just like Weimaraners and the rest cross bred??? We have some one fairly local to us that breeds what he call's fenlander puppies. These are Weimaraner cross springer spaniels, and I was in the vets when one came in with his owner. He looked solid liver in colour and I thought it was a GSP, the only difference was it had short legs, with a Weim body and Weim head shape. He charges I think in the region of £450-00 a puppy. The breeder told the owner that he crosses to make a better working gundog .......urrrr........All I could think of was a manic Springer with a Weimaraners hunting ability could be a dangerous mix, but what do you guys think Rachel Makes you wonder what will come out of it. I know we all love our weims and that it is hard to think of anybody messing with their beautiful makeup but I wonder if some good would ever come out of it like no more deep chests so no more torsion, more fur on the tails etc... I'm trying to think of the plusses here guys  |
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Post by justine on Jun 28, 2007 13:30:45 GMT 1
Wasn't it a trend a few years ago to breed dogs with poodles, so to supposedly help people who suffer from allergies to dogs? But I'm sure I was told that it doesn't make any difference at all, people were still allergic and loads of dogs ended up in rescue centres. I wonder what a Shar Poo looks like?  |
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Post by Rachel on Jun 29, 2007 13:47:30 GMT 1
I just went into our local garden centre and there on the notice board was cockerdors for sale £250 I looked closer and it was Labrador x Cocker spaniel. It said ideal working dogs.
I suppose years ago all these cross breed dogs were just that cross breeds, now they like to give them fancy names.
Rachel
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Post by weimaranermama on Jun 29, 2007 15:41:03 GMT 1
Grrrrrr!!!!!
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Post by tasha on Jun 30, 2007 14:06:46 GMT 1
I was told something funny yesterday that seems appropriate to this... my friend is a manager of a company and on occassion his staff ask for a payrise rather than give them one he gives them a change in job title and they go away happy because they feel a little more important than they did the day before. Seems completely bonkers to me I'd rather have the payrise but he said no one yet has noticed that its all pomp and no substance...
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Post by weima on Jul 2, 2007 17:32:41 GMT 1
There have been Weimaraner x Standard Poodles bred in this country & I made the secretary of the Poodle Council aware of this. It really annoys me when I see cross breeds been sold for such a high amount of money. The puppy is a mongrel, is not KC registered so how can people ask for such an amount?  I suppose there are people out there willing to pay this kind of money otherwise it wouldn't be happening. |
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Post by weimaranerwhimzy on Jul 3, 2007 13:43:39 GMT 1
well i no like it either but we must remember that our beloved weim began as a cross breed in the begining....
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Post by chiendog on Jul 3, 2007 14:18:58 GMT 1
Warning: a pre-morning-tea rant coming up.
I am not paticularly surprised about the ad or litter. These things have gone on for centuries, although the breeds involved and the names of the resulting pups may differ. Nor, sadly, am I surprised at the reactions in thread. Unfortunately, self righteous poo, poo'ing of anything not "pure" is all too common in dog circles.
I'm sorry if I am being a bit contrary, but can someone please point out anything inherently evil, illegal, immoral, unethical or deceitful about this litter? The ad seems to be straight forward:
We currently have 8 adorable Weimardoodle puppies that were born on May 3, 2007. The pups are from a 50 lb Poodle sire and a 70 lb Weimaraner dam. 4 black pups, 3 silver, and 1 chocolate. Chocolate $750, Black $650, Silver $500.
I am sure the pups are adorable. The photos seem to attest to this. Date of birth is given, parentage clearly indicated. No dubious claims of field ability are made (can all Weim breeders say the same?), No mention of "rare and exotic", no over-the-top sales pitch designed to make a quick buck. Seems like someone thought this cross would be a good idea or had an accident. In any case, it is a free world despite what the KC would have us believe. If you or I decided we wanted to breed a pug to a pony, who can deny us this right?
Coining the term "Weimardoodle" seems a bit tacky but, who can account for taste? There are people out there that actually drink bubble gum flavour schnapps! Oh, but it denigrates "our" breed you say? Oh, I see. Weimardoodle is an insult while dressing weims up as freaking circus clowns isn't? Breeding them for generations with no regard to hunting ability yet claiming they are fantastic workers is just fine and dandy?
As for price, what is the problem? I've seen absolute crap weims go for three times that amount. And that is fine with me. We live in a free market society. If there is demand and supply and the buyer and seller can agree to terms, then who are we to 'tsk 'tsk the transaction? If this sort of thing bothers you then maybe you should look into moving to one of the few remaining "workers' paradises" in the world were prices of everything from salt to sex are determined by old men in grey suits.
Genetically, this litter may be healthier than many (most) "pure" weim or poodle litters out there. As a complete outcross, it stands to reason that many genetic problems will be less likely to occur. I would wager that if the parents of the these pups are anywhere near normal and healthy that the pups will be too. Can you say that of every "pure" litter?
Finally, I'd like to point out that a Poodle x Weim cross is not something from way out in left field. The Pudelpointer, a fantastic working breed, was created by crossing Poodles to Pointers in the early 1900's. In fact a new program of doing the very same cross was undertaken recently in Germany...with excellent results. I also know of a fellow in the US who hunts with Poodle Chesapeake Bay Retrievers crosses. He claims that they are fantastic workers. I have no reason to doubt him.
I would venture a guess that if the weim that had this litter is an excellent worker ( a huge 'if") and if the Poodle sire has smarts for which that breed is renowned, that the pups would actually have excellent potential as gundogs. And if you are still not convinced that cross bred dogs can be very good in the field, you may want to ask a Lurcherman about it.
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Post by Jurate on Jul 3, 2007 15:40:05 GMT 1
Hi,
I guess I was understood not correct, starting this topic I wanted to talk about genetics of the mixed weimaraner color, and I was not saying that mixes is something ugly or so...
Weims are very beautiful, so why should it be left somewhere in the side in these times when mixes are very popular...
Of course some does it just to sell pups as some new breed, other does it to experiment and maybe others to improve hunting abilities...
I just love Pudelpointers I think they are very beautiful and have heard much about their great working abilities....
But it was a long time ago when breeds were formed to satisfied human needs, and there are many, many different hunting breeds that can hunt differently, so why is it You have to create more if now there is more than enough...
And other point is hunting aesthetics, I think it is an old ritual, so hunting with pure bred dogs are beautiful...
Also don't know about the country You live in, but here in Lithuania, where I live, hunt with mixed breed dogs is forbidden, dog that you use in the hunt has to have documents...
And when hunting You have to have copy in your pocket to prove it...
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Post by Alkemist on Jul 3, 2007 22:16:06 GMT 1
You know once I was asked by a lurcher breeder if they could use my Weimaraner male on their lurcher bitch. I declined, because I could not see any benefit to the Lurchers that he was breeding. This breeder was not in it for profit, he was a real what we call 'lamper', who used his dogs for hunting hares at night with lamps and dogs. This used to be a common practice in our region of England. Had I thought that my male weim could add to the mix, I would have let the mating take place. He made no profits, he called the dogs Lurchers.
I guess the naming of this mix (and those like it), and the cost charged, could be seen as a motive to make money. I try to remember that the majority of breeds start out as crosses, but I also find it hard to understand the desire to cross these breeds without a purpose.
Just my thoughts.....
Nina
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Post by tasha on Jul 3, 2007 22:36:47 GMT 1
I've got a good lurcher that I use and its a right old hodge podge  I'm not against the breeding per se if it has a purpose or a specific job in mind but am against the title its not a breed but using a fad title of weimdoodle to help sell the pups, cross breeds bred for working purposes tend to sell before they have been bred here because word of mouth is very fast in those circles everyone knows everyone - bit like the patterdale litter I've just picked a puppy out of the litter were sold twice over and its not a registered breed - lovely pups though all gone to working homes. The Guide Dogs for the Blind used the poodle in their breeding program though to help produce dogs that don't moult so I do agree if they have a purpose I'd just rather they said weimaraner x poddle. |
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Post by ryanatc on Jul 5, 2007 12:09:36 GMT 1
Seems to me if you read the history of any PURE BRED dog out there...they were mixed breeds until the right looking dog appeared! I am not saying I totally agree with the mixing of breeds today for profit - but if down the road the results are good and a new breed is mixed/designed with the qualities the original person intended...then GREAT! So be it!
Again, Just my $.02 cents!
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