An example of contract for breeding

[Locco]

Could anyone please send me an example of a contract which is used when you use your dog as a stud? I'm asking because my Blaster is a stud dog and I couldn't find any examples of such contracts either in Polish or English so I have created my own contract but I wonder whether I have included everything what is significant and whether the form is appropriate.

Thank you very much in advance

Best regards
Magda&Blaster

[Weims]

I have never signed a contract when using a stud dog. I have a contract for a bitch I have on breeding terms. The stud dog is used and the fee paid. It is up to the individual people whether a free return is used if no puppies result but a the end of the day someone is paying a stud fee for the use of the dog and not paying for puppies.

You should make it clear to the bitch owner what you would offer, if anything, if no puppies result in the mating.

Lynn

[Speeds]

weims said:

I have never signed a contract when using a stud dog. I have a contract for a bitch I have on breeding terms. The stud dog is used and the fee paid. It is up to the individual people whether a free return is used if no puppies result but a the end of the day someone is paying a stud fee for the use of the dog and not paying for puppies.

You should make it clear to the bitch owner what you would offer, if anything, if no puppies result in the mating.

Lynn

Absolutely no experience in this per se but whatever you agree should be written down and signed by both parties - therefore if there are any disputes you have a document which can, in most cases be used legally. It is also better to have it sigend by an independent witness too.

[tasha]

might be worth trying the yahoo groups american site they use contracts all the time

[Locco]

hi guys, thanks a lot for your help. I also believe that both sides should sign the contract. I have heard that it's usually the bitch owner who prepares and brings the contract with him/her(I can of course add some corrections if I want) but in the case of the owner of the bitch Blaster is to be mated with, she says she's never prepared such a contract and that she doesn't know how to do it so I must prepare it for myself.

Thank you guys once again
Magda&Blaster

[weima]

Why do you need a contract for a stud?

This would be similar to the receipt I give after a stud & where it says 'arrangements' I usually put something like 'free return if the bitch is not pregnant'
www.pedigreebreederservice.co.uk/breederservice/pdfs/studServiceReceipt.pdf

Obviously, one side is for you to keep & the other side is for the owner of the bitch to keep. Both sides stating exactly the same.

[Speeds]

weima said:

Why do you need a contract for a stud?

This would be similar to the receipt I give after a stud & where it says 'arrangements' I usually put something like 'free return if the bitch is not pregnant'
www.pedigreebreederservice.co.uk/breederservice/pdfs/studServiceReceipt.pdf

Obviously, one side is for you to keep & the other side is for the owner of the bitch to keep. Both sides stating exactly the same.

A receipt is a form of contract. Personaly I would sign and date it and ask the other person to sign/date too - then you both have a copy signed and dated - if there is any unpleasantness

[weima]

I did have some unpleasantness once. Someone used my stud dog & unfortunately she missed [the bitch he mated a few days later took though]. When the person rang to tell me I had to give him the news that the stud dog had died [he was only 2 yrs old]. The man was ok about it.

A few days later he rang again demanding another mating! As Marcus was the only stud I had, I obviously couldn't offer him another mating. As he was paying for a service & not for puppies it was only out of good will that he was offered a returmn mating in the first place. He became quite unpleasant & a friend of mine said he could use her stud dog instead. The man wasn't bothered who the dog was bred he just wanted puppies

In the end he never mated her again as the 'replacement' stud was on holiday when she was next in season.

The pleasures of breeding

[ryanatc]

weima said:

I did have some unpleasantness once. Someone used my stud dog & unfortunately she missed [the bitch he mated a few days later took though]. When the person rang to tell me I had to give him the news that the stud dog had died [he was only 2 yrs old]. The man was ok about it.

A few days later he rang again demanding another mating! As Marcus was the only stud I had, I obviously couldn't offer him another mating. As he was paying for a service & not for puppies it was only out of good will that he was offered a returmn mating in the first place. He became quite unpleasant & a friend of mine said he could use her stud dog instead. The man wasn't bothered who the dog was bred he just wanted puppies

In the end he never mated her again as the 'replacement' stud was on holiday when she was next in season.

The pleasures of breeding

That scenario alone sends up red flags in my mind! All the person wanted was puppies and did not care what stud was used - I have to question the ethics of the person wanting puppies. I have bred my bitch 2 times and it is not for the puppies at all...but mainly for the betterment of the breed. Of course I want to have pups but I want them to be of a quality breeding and not just some random stud dog just to have pups and make money!

Just my $.02 cents!

[Locco]

I have bred my bitch 2 times and it is not for the puppies at all...but mainly for the betterment of the breed. Of course I want to have pups but I want them to be of a quality breeding and not just some random stud dog just to have pups and make money!

And that's the way it should always be!

Weima, thank you very much for an example of a receipt on the website you've posted for me!
BTW, do you get any money for the service of your stud dogs even if there aren't any puppies from the mating (I mean just for the fact that a bitch has been "served" by your stud dog without any result)? If I have understood it correctly some of you do and some of you return the money if there aren't any puppies. Do you return all the money then or only some part of it? And what do you mean by so called "full litter", for instance: more than 2 perfectly healthy puppies (3 or more?) and if there is anything like a "full litter" at all? Do you get the money for the pups only if there's a full litter or even if there is only one or two pups in a litter? And if you get some money even if in the litter there is only one or two pups is it then only some part of the full price? And one last question: do you separate/distinguish the money for the service of your stud dog and later a separate payment for the pups or is it one thing just paid in two separate turns/parts and on different terms, for instance: just after mating- one part and when we know that a bitch is pregnant and after a special examination (usg) so that we know how many pups are there- the second part of the payment?

Sorry for so many detailed quiestions but I'm unexperienced in this area and I would like everything to be perfect and professional so that no misunderstandings and unpleasntnesses take place.

P.S. I would have forgotten! Do you ever ask the owners of a bitch to do any kind of tests before mating so that you know they are healthy and that a bitch won't get your stud dog infected with anything?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help

Best regards
Magda&Blaster

[weima]

Magda, if it were my stud dog being used I would expect a stud fee payable at the time of mating. I always state that should the bitch miss, I will offer a free return.
You are paying for a service & not puppies. I do know that in some European countries that you can pay an amount per puppy but I prefer to do a one off fee. I would also expect to pay the price of a puppy if I were using a champion stud dog.

Ryanatc, the man I dealt with seemed perfectly OK at the time he used my dog it was only afterwards that it became apparant he was not. The reason he used my stud dog was because the pedigree did tie in very nicely. The replacement stud I offered was similarly bred hence why I suggested the dog but the man so peeved at not having puppies & having paid out money......shit happens & not every bitch gets pregnant 1st time around. She was a maiden bitch, my stud was experienced & had only ever missed to his bitch.

[Irena]

Magda, I am sending you a PM.

[weima]

It is quite normal in the UK to pay for the service & that is the difference between the UK & other countries. You really should go with what the terms are for your country.

[Locco]

hey guys,
once again thanks a lot for you help. Now it's much clearer for me than before!

Regards
Magda&Blaster

[ryanatc]

Stud Fees and Contracts - Out of the 2 times I bred my girl there has been a contract and a fee. Here is the basics of how it worked for me:

Stud fee = the cost of one pup (roughly) or pic of the litter. However, there is a minimum gaurantee of at least 3 pups or 1) no fee will be charged; 2) Next time she comes in heat a second breeding offered at no additional charge.

As the owner of the Dam - I have puppy purchase agreements. Also, I do not sell my pups unless the purchaser agrees to have AKC limited license until official proof that the dog (male or female) has been fixed. At that point I will sign off and give the owner full registration. I do this to help my line and I will investigate any future breedings of my pups...if I do not agree to the breeding (male stud or female for pups), the person will never be able to register those pups in the AKC.

Again, just my $.02 cents.

[Speeds]

weima said:

It is quite normal in the UK to pay for the service & that is the difference between the UK & other countries. You really should go with what the terms are for your country.

Totally agree.