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Post by jai on Sept 15, 2007 17:21:53 GMT 1
 I think the heading must say it all; so I will give the details and the explanations.. Yesterday Falko and I went for our usual training with Wolfgang. We have not seen each other in several weeks and I have been working Falko myself and getting him and I prepared for the FT here in Germany. Now, he is not a year yet and he would not have been able to participate until next May, but Wolfgang gives us 'tests' every so often to see how we have been progressing. Yesterday was the 'test'.. also, Wolfgang is the distict judge for this area for the tests so he knows what he is doing. We started with a quick off the lead walk into the district fields. Falko responded well to my calls with and without the whistle. He sat in front of me when he was called back and left when I sent him. Wolfgang praised him for this and also praised how big he is and stronger. Wolfgang says he looks very good. Next, after about 5 minutes toward the field, Calli points for a bird. One that I have never seen a big bird with large feathers on the back that was sitting in the middle of the empty corn field. When she pointed, Wolfgang gave her the command to get down and she dropped instantly. Falko, having never seen one of these birds, watched it fly off... 3 or 4 more feet, Calli points again, another bird. So, Wolfgang sends me and Falko into work the fields and find these birds. Falko worked well, he listened to me and starting sniffing and running and searching. Unfortunately, he did not point at anything, but Wolfgang had high praise for him from the bottom of the field, tellling him he was doing good and helping me teach him (This I have to learn to do) Well 2 things done and he did so well. My confidence was growing.. Here I am a person who had very little idea what to do and my pup was doing so well. But.. when we were to do all the heeling, the sitting, the staying in a sit and lie position, we bombed so badly  Falko did not listen, did not heel well, had very bad sits, in fact his sits were so bad, one of his legs was off to the side. This is a fixable thing, more work for me to do and more time for that for Falko. Plus, I think he was still searching for the birds or he really had to pee! So for the bad news Falko can not compete because his teeth are crooked and his bite is off. This means he can not do anything with the German Klub that would allow him to become a stud dog. So that is it in a nutshell, but I am disappointed, but his teeth have been a problem since last Feb. and I knew Wolfgang would keep checking. Although I kind of hoped it would be ok.
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Post by Kobie on Sept 15, 2007 17:49:35 GMT 1
Jai,
I do not understand well what you mean by his teeth... Doesn't he has a sisser bite ?
And the field trial, do you mean the HZP or so ?
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Post by wendytyler on Sept 15, 2007 20:36:52 GMT 1
What a shame for such a beautiful & talented dog! Is it impossible now for you to compete at any German fieldtrial or hunting test? Greetings, Wendy & Tyler |
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Post by efica on Sept 15, 2007 20:48:54 GMT 1
Oh Jai, so sorry to hear this And just because of the teeth. He cannot become a stud dog, but can he attend the hunting tests (HZP)? I'd love to see how Falko has grown up (any photos)  Eva |
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Post by efica on Sept 15, 2007 20:50:48 GMT 1
Oh, stupid me - I can see him on your banner ;D He looks so big!
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Post by Kobie on Sept 16, 2007 7:03:17 GMT 1
I know that they check teeth before the HZP starts.
They also checked teeth for the VJP in Germany. And to become a stud dog in Germany, you NEED to do the HZP !!
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Post by jai on Sept 16, 2007 7:34:46 GMT 1
Hi Kobie.. According to Wolgang, who is our district HZP judge/master trainer/Klub person. He has been checking Falko's teeth since we started training in Feb, just after Falko was 4 months old. The hope was that the 2 bottom teeth would straighten to form the correct bite. Wolfgang has checked him periodically, last time was when he was 10 months old and then again this week. He is not eligible by German standards to participate in either of the tests.. nor can he be placed in the book. I am disappointed, but I had been told this since the first time Falko and I had met him. But I love my dog and I can still go out with Wolfgang and hunt and learn things, just that Falko can not show off how great he is to other Klub Members at the tests jai |
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Post by Kobie on Sept 16, 2007 7:38:14 GMT 1
Jai,
That is just a pity !!!!! I am of course interested because Falko is also Oska's son... I must say, I have checked all pups recently, but all have correct bites and teeth...
A real real pity for you and Falco !
I know it's just wonderful if you can breed your dog that you love that much ....
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Post by jai on Sept 16, 2007 7:42:46 GMT 1
Kobie..
I am disappointed, but we have checked the teeth all the time. I think Wolfgang was disappointed too, since he has worked with Falko and they have a good bond. I will continue to work with Falko and teach him things, but I don't have to worry about all the pressure. I am glad your pups are good, I think it was just one of those things.. but I know that if I mess up or if I am tired to work him, it is ok.. LOL.
Take care Kobie..
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Post by Kobie on Sept 16, 2007 7:52:36 GMT 1
Dear Jai, I know you are dissapointed, but it's like you said, you still have your dog, you can work him, you have much joy of him, he is still your mate... You don't have pressure... I'm sure you will have a wonderful life together... Actually, it's a bit strange that they only check teeth in Germany, not here in Belgium... But it's probably because if they have the HZP, they can be used for breeding... We don't have 'rules" for a stud dog... Unfortunately ! Everyone may breed |
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Post by jai on Sept 16, 2007 8:05:44 GMT 1
Thank you Kobie for your kind words. Here in Germany they are very strict. Wolfgang has told me that from the beginning. The Germans only have certain times when they have breeding for the hunters and that is when there are enough hunters interested in a dog mating. Wolgang was going to mate his bitch to another weim from 'the directory' after this falls HZP.
I am very happy that I met Wolfgang and that he was able to teach me how to train and work my dog. We will meet next week and still do more stuff so I will know how when I decide to get another dog..
Right now we can enjoy the cold and the rain and all the snow that I am sure we will get and I won't feel guilty if I can't get out there and work him.. LOL
jai
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Post by jai on Sept 16, 2007 8:19:51 GMT 1
Hi Eva,
Yes he is big and Wolgang for some reason thinks he still has some room to grow. Right now he is long and tall and a bit heavy, but his chest is still getting stronger and he is putting some more weight on his skinny legs. The more he runs and chases things the better his legs get. Oh, Happy Birthday to Kika this week.. The girls are planning some kind of 'party' for Falko. I only can imagine what they have planned. Poor dog may be dressed up in a party dress for all I know!
take care Eva,
jai
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Post by tasha on Sept 16, 2007 13:00:20 GMT 1
awww jai I'm so sorry what a pity but better to know now and just relax and get on with the hunting which is where all the fun is anyway. Breeding is not the end of the world. Bonnie has I think a tooth missing so maybe we shall be joining you.
Do you know who wolfgang will be breeding his bitch too??
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Post by jai on Sept 16, 2007 13:16:01 GMT 1
Wolfgang will be checking the directory for a mate.. and he will wait until Calli finishes her Master Trainer test with Carmen in about 3 weeks, she has started to go into season, not that she is bleeding, but she is getting ready, he was telling me about it and ofcourse I do nto understand the whole thing.. like everything else it is a process.. Send me a msg. about this week, I am leaving Thursday to meet you, but I need some details!
jai
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Post by efica on Sept 16, 2007 13:58:48 GMT 1
I thought Belgium has the same rules for breeding as Germany. In Slovenia the tests are the same as in Germany. And if weims don't pass these tests they cannot be used for breeding (the puppies don't get the papers) So in Belgium you don't need any of hunting tests for breeding  Happy birthday to Falko also  You have to take some photos of Falko's party ;D Kika is also still gaining some muscles - currently she weighs 30,5kilos! Take care... Eva |
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Post by marjolein on Sept 16, 2007 14:11:27 GMT 1
Yes, you're correct Eva, the breed standard is universal (well, almost). The problem is that most countries just don't check things properly.
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Post by ryanatc on Sept 16, 2007 14:17:49 GMT 1
Sorry to hear about your Falko! Sounds like he has great promise non-the less as a hunter for you! In the USA the field trials do not usually look at conformation strictly but when you enter the show ring the bite issues would be seen.
Look at it this way - well, maybe you can not title him or stud him out due to the German rules...but you have a lifelong hunting companion and what sounds like a great training partner for future dogs you will own! It is not always about how many titles / awards you can get on your dog...but about being able to smile and enjoy the day while out training and working with your dog. If you are happy and content after a day in the field...it was all worth while!!!!!!
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Post by sieglinde on Sept 16, 2007 19:10:28 GMT 1
Hi Jai - what a terrible shame for you. I am soooo sorry for you, as this obviously was something you wanted to get your 'teeth' into. Still, I am sure you will love your boy regardless and enjoy his friendship in years to come.
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Post by Kobie on Sept 16, 2007 20:21:20 GMT 1
I thought Belgium has the same rules for breeding as Germany. In Slovenia the tests are the same as in Germany. And if weims don't pass these tests they cannot be used for breeding (the puppies don't get the papers) So in Belgium you don't need any of hunting tests for breeding Eva to breed according the rules of the Belgian weimaranerclub, both parents need to have "a" huntingdiploma, but not all dogs from known breeders do huntingtests, or field trails and breed anyway without huntingdiploma !!! We do feel it's a obligation to our dogs, to let them do what they are bred for.... |
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Post by Alkemist on Sept 16, 2007 21:42:10 GMT 1
Jai are you sure those girls are not kissing those teeth out of place?  ? I'm so sad for you, especially given the work that I know you put into Falko. Enjoy him for what he is, a big happy bruiser who loves his family. Nina x |
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