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Post by carmel on May 20, 2008 10:00:01 GMT 1
Hello, Sorry for my very bad english !!!!!  My name's is isabelle. I live near Paris. I have 3 dogs : Akhtar, a german shorthaired pointer, male, 4 years Bapsy, an american staffordshire terrier, female, 18 months Trésor, a weimar, male, 6 years I need your help for my weimar. Last week, Tresor bit my husband's arm strongly. Since my husband doesn't want to keep the dog anymore. He wants me to make him euthanasia. I don't want because I lve my dog and he's not so dangerous. Tresor must be educate firmly at all times. We're responsible because since december 2007, I began working and we were more cool with his education. Please, help me to find a solution for my weim. At this time, he stays to his comportementaliste. His name : Trésor de Gray Ghost de la Chevalerie, weim LOF Birthday : 27/02/2002 He's vaccinated, tattooed but not castrated. Thanks for your help. |
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Post by carmel on May 20, 2008 10:03:10 GMT 1
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Post by Weims on May 20, 2008 10:33:42 GMT 1
Bonjour Isabelle
Votre anglais est bon. Ma francais n'est pas. I am with the Weimaraner Rescue in England
Why did your dog bite your husband? Can you tell me the circumstances surrounding the bite? Has he ever bitten anyone before? Is your Pointer castrated? Is your Staffy spayed?
Sorry for all the questions but knowing why the dog bit will help with the solution.
Lynn
PS. If you get stuck with the english please let me know as my daughter speaks french so she will be able to translate it for me into french for you. You can also e mail me direct at kidmal.weimaraners@virgin.net if you wish
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Post by carmel on May 20, 2008 11:14:28 GMT 1
Tresor is a very predominant dog. I adopted him 3 years ago. his previous family saied that he growled on the children. But I think that there was a problem with the men because my husband could not approch tresor at the beginning. We have educate Tresor with a "comportementalist". Until december, everything went well. I began to work and I was not here to educate Tresor during the day. and the evaning, we unloosed his education. Then, Tresor bit my husband twice.
Both bites are bites of domination. The first one: somebody knocked. My husband pushed back Tresor with his foot and Tresor bit the ankle (space control). The second: we ate outside and my husband pushed back Tresor with the arm and Tresor bit the arm (food control).
Now, my husband don't want the dog anymore.
My pointer and my amstaff are castrated.
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Post by Weims on May 20, 2008 17:28:33 GMT 1
I dont know how the behaviourists work in France and I dont totally understand when you say (space control) and (Food Control). Does your husband work to educate the dog too? Does your husband feed/walk the dog? If you had pushed back the dog with your arm would he have bitten you? Has he ever shown agression towards you? Who has told you that the bites are bites of domination? COuld the man in the previous home have been violent towards the dog? Does Tresor get on with the other two dogs?
Lynn
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Post by carmel on May 21, 2008 8:45:59 GMT 1
It's difficult to explain what happen exactly in english !!  I dont know how the behaviourists work in France and I dont totally understand when you say (space control) and (Food Control). When I say space and food control, it means that Tresor bit at crucial moment for a predominant dog, according to our behaviourist Does your husband work to educate the dog too? Does your husband feed/walk the dog? Yes, my husband looked after Tresor too : education, feed, walk If you had pushed back the dog with your arm would he have bitten you? Has he ever shown agression towards you? I never pushed back him with my arm because I know that Tresor don't like that. He never bit me but often growled. Who has told you that the bites are bites of domination? The behaviourist !! COuld the man in the previous home have been violent towards the dog? I don't know but I suppose !! Does Tresor get on with the other two dogs? He get on very well with all dogs but he is the chief... |
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Post by greyghost on May 21, 2008 11:12:11 GMT 1
I like the way this guy works: www.cesarmillaninc.com/I have sent you a pm (check your private messages) Isabelle as I have his book in PDF format that I would like to send you. If anybody else would like a copy, please let me know.  I hope you can sort him. |
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Post by Wetdog on May 22, 2008 5:56:54 GMT 1
Welcome to the board Isabelle.
Lynn----I interpret "space control" = territorial "food control" = food guarding/dominance
I'm sorry you are having problems Tresor---this is very serious! It sounds to me like you have a very bad dominance problem and it is going to take some very hard correction and discipline to straighten it out.
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Post by Weims on May 22, 2008 11:51:08 GMT 1
Isabelle, I agree with wetdog. You have a very dominant dog and at 6 yrs old it is very hard to deal with. If you have been seeing the behaviourist for 3 years and he is no better than when you got him then maybe it is time to try another behaviourist, one that maybe specialises in dominant agressive dogs.
On another note I dont think that you can rehome him as you are passing the problem on.
I am so sorry I cannot help with this problem from so far away, you need someone on the spot.
Lynn
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Post by greyghost on May 22, 2008 13:44:33 GMT 1
I have heard some say that castrating helps but then again I have heard that is a load of rubbish. I wonder if it would help in this situation or not. Any comments anybody???
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Post by weimaranermama on May 22, 2008 14:52:50 GMT 1
I think too, your dog is a dominant one and the sad thing is, you waited to long to let him know who really is the the big boss. And that is what he needs. Read you husband had a fight with  Tresor and did not win  , because he bite back. Now Tresor is 6 years old and i think (sorry) it is to late to correct him. He develloped his agressivity and will not accept your husband anymore ;D. Also the growling is very bad. you have to punnisch him so hard now, before he will give up his own territory, that that is not nice and human, is my idea.  You have to break him and that is a hard job. It's hard to say to you, i know, but in my opinion the best for your Tresor and you is to send Tresor to "Rainbow Bridge". Save him from pain and punischments. Maby his first owner did not raise him up well and you have the problems. So sorry. I wish you a lot of strenghth and succes with Tresor. Ina. |
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Post by Weims on May 22, 2008 21:25:00 GMT 1
Castration in a 6 yr old dog is unlikely to work as his behaviour is learned by now and not just hormonal.
He has bitten twice and he will do it again only next time it might be much worse, it might not be your or your husband that he bites but a child.
I think Ina could be right.
Lynn
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Post by greyghost on May 22, 2008 21:46:53 GMT 1
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Post by Weims on May 23, 2008 11:57:18 GMT 1
I dont think it would demote him now.
It hasnt demoted my dominant male dog and he was castrated nearly a year ago, he "had" his grandmother last night and she now has 4 staples in her head where he bit her. It is different in that he is dominant towards the other dogs and not people.
Trouble is it is not a bad habit. He has learned that he can retaliate with effect. Hubby pushed himaway with his foot and the dog bit the hubbys leg/foot, same with the arm. He is in effect saying "he is not doing that to me, I;ll get him back"
I dont feel I am making sense but I know what I am trying to say LOL!
Lynn
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Post by weimaranermama on May 23, 2008 13:40:51 GMT 1
I do understand wath you say Lynn.
Ina
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Post by Wetdog on May 25, 2008 2:29:47 GMT 1
It is never too late to train Tresor--however, Isabelle, if you and your husband are the "soft' type personalities, and can not transition into becoming hard as iron disciplinarians things will not change.
Tresor is "hard"---he is going to use any amount of force at his disposal to get his way. You have to be JUST as hard right back. You have to be willing to give him corrections that will make enough impression on him to convince him in HIS mind that he is never, ever, EVER, EVER going to get into a battle of wills against you again.
This doesn't mean that you go around being mean and abusive, it means that you will use whatever correction it takes to convince him that he'd BETTER NEVER EVER even think of questioning your leadership role.
You need to ask yourself if you are up to doing this. If you aren't, the best thing to do would be to have him put down. Keeping a biter around, especially who will bite you and your husband is extremely dangerous, to everyone else, but most especially to you because you are the ones that are around him the most.
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Post by marjolein on May 25, 2008 9:36:57 GMT 1
I had a rescue for a while. Same story as this story. I fought with him really hard, but I won. He's rehomed again to his final destination now. He's with a hunter in Germany. I've really been tough on him, but I knew this dog was this way bc his previous owner was way too soft on him (and not bc he has a brain tumour or something like that). I prefer this method above the PTS method. This dog deserves a chance, but only with people who know what they're doing.
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Post by greyghost on May 25, 2008 9:39:38 GMT 1
Cesar Milan talks about 'calm assertive' in his book (which Isabelle now has). You don't have to be rough or even harsh just mean it and make sure you project the right energy around you. They can soon suss out how you are feeling. He explains in his book that energy is the language of emotion. It takes a dog only a few seconds to determine what kind of energy you are projecting, so it is important that you be consistent. A calm-assertive leader is relaxed but always confident that he or she is in control - he says. I would also adopt a NILIF (nothing in life if for free) attitude. So no more treats unless he earns it. You give something to him for something in return, even his dinner. A sit and wait is earning it maybe a high five. The children need training too how to behave around him. It's not going to be easy but you can teach an old dog new tricks. I remember when Mar took on a similar Weim that was going to be put to sleep. I was worried about meeting this 'man eating dog' when I visited last year but she worked with him and rehomed him. I am not confident around dogs like this and I must have been projecting all sorts of emotions at first but I soon relaxed when I realised she and Roel had him under control because they projected the right sort of energy. Not all owners can project such confidence and I feel it is important to recognise the sort of person you are for the dog's sake. If there is a weakness in the family he will find it. Think long and hard about how to manage this situation without putting the children at risk. Good luck  |
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Post by greyghost on May 25, 2008 9:40:46 GMT 1
Oooow Mar you beat me too it......I was busy editing ;D
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Post by marjolein on May 25, 2008 9:46:11 GMT 1
Snap!!!!!
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