Any ideas as to what this could be??

[Weims]

Came home yesterday to find that Morgan has what appeared to be a wound on his muzzle. I asked my son if the dogs had had a squabble but he said no. I then wondered if a bee had stung him as we are getting loads and loads on the drive (They come every year and are attracted to where the bitches pee ) I gave him some antihistime. Then later in the day (Almost before my eyes) he got another open wound on his muzzle and his ears were swelling. Gave some more antihistime. This morning he looks like he has been mauled on his muzzle which is slightly swollen, his ears have started to have "open wounds" and it is obvioulsy irritating him but he has eaten his breakfast and his nose is cold and wet and in every other way he is fine. I have never seen an allergic reaction like this before and wondered if anyone else has? The dogs dont go in the garden unless we are in there with them and yesterday was the first time in ages that they were in there as I was planting some bedding plants. No we dont have any plants that he could have eaten, just grass/moss/weeds and holes previously dug. he hasnt had anything that he hasnt had before foodwise. he hasnt been anywhere new. I have no idea what could be causing this unless it is a bad reaction to a bee sting.

Any Ideas??

Lynn

[Weims]

Just taken this pic.

[Peter]

poor guy...

I think it would be wise to take him to the vet instead of asking forum-members,
hope he gets better soon!

[Weims]

Been to the vets, they dont know what it is. Just wondered if anyone else had seen anything like it.

Turns out on another forum someones weim has had the same symptoms and their vet didnt know what caused her "outbreak" either. Luckily it has cleared up.

Lynn

[Alkemist]

My old Amber had this when she was younger (she's gone now) about 10+ years ago. We didn't know what had caused it either, and the vet gave us some antibiotics and some steroid creams, from memory. It eventually cleared up of it's own accord, but not quickly, she had it for at least 6 weeks I think. One bit would scab over and another area would open up. We had it watched closely because if where it was, in the same place as in this picture, and we were worried about infection.

Nina

[marjolein]

I've seen this before, but not sure if it was diagnosed back then. I'm pretty sure this dog needed AB's to let it heal properly. Keep us updated please!

[Weims]

Its even worse this morning. Its now all down the edges of his ears and he has one patch opened up on his left ear in the middle.... couldnt get a pic of that tho.

Lets hope the AB's kick in soon.

Lynn

[weima]

He should be on steroids and steroid cream too Lynn to sort it properly.

[Jaeger]

Don't know what it is, but for a year ago I got a picture from Sally Burton and the dog looked like yours and she had the same question Maybe you can contact her if she found a remedie for that dog.

[Kobie]

We bought once a puppy who got 'stafylococcen'. All dogs carries this in their body, but by sertain circumstances, it can come out.

My puppy wasn't too strong apparently, as of the stress of moving to my home, he started to show this bubbles.
This condition can be minimal or real heavy !
It stays for weeks and weeks, even months and improves very very slowly.

I think a adult dog can have it also, but I have seen it mostly on young dogs.

[greyghost]

I would try some Propolis. I don't like using stuff that suppresses the immune system.

[Weims]

I do have propalis both the ointment and the liquid but have been advised not to use on open wounds.

[greyghost]

I have searched the web and the liquid ones say it is for open wounds. The ones I found that said not to use on open wounds was the ointments, perhaps they have something else added. My bottle has no warnings on it about open wounds. Don't forget it can be taken internally too - says 4 - 5 drops in half a glass of warm water once or twice a day for us humans.

Mine is this one: www.yourhealthfoodstore.co.uk/details.php/p1616_bee_health_propolis_tincture_without_alcohol.html

Bearing in mind what happened to somebody with neat T-tree and the reports about it you are right to be wary.

I had an open wound on my face where I kept picking something. It kept coming back as raised scar tissue and so I had another little dig. Two weeks ago I had a go at it was bleeding. I put some neat propolis liquid on it. I was amazed the next morning. I put another bit on a couple of days later. Not had to use it again and the wound has healed and it is flat.

If you are worried about using the Propolis, how about some Manuka Honey.

[christina]

Hello Lynn,

Irena has just alerted me to read your pups story... this is without the shadow of a doubt deep-rooted nasal pyoderma.

Morgan needs to be seen by a vet ASAP- the best way to treat this condition is with prednisolone and antibiotics simultaneously. With this treatment you will see a turn-around in a few days. You need to act swiftly, as this can get a lot worse within the shortest of time. New swellings will come up all the time, break open, bleed, and crust over....

My Weim Kimber used to have that very condition when he was 2 years old. I'll post pictures if I can work out how to in a minute.

And another thought.... Please have your pup thyroid tested with a FULL PANEL - that means T3, FT3, T4, FT4 and T3&T4 Autoantibodies. Please insist on a full panel, it is most important. You can't rule out Hypothyroidism with just part of one.

Pyoderma is one of the over 50 clinical symptoms of Hypothyroidism, and it is highly likely that Morgan is hypothyroid - at least it needs to be checked and ruled out.

Sorry, I am typing this in a rush - will look for Kimber's pictures next and try to post them.....

Christina

[christina]

Sorry, I can't work out how to attach photos - I've sent them to Irena in the hope that she will post them for me - thanks Irena....

Christina

[Irena]

May 29, 2008 19:57:15 GMT 1 christina said:

Sorry, I can't work out how to attach photos - I've sent them to Irena in the hope that she will post them for me - thanks Irena....

Christina

Yup, posting them right away...









I so hope he can be cured soon! Poor baby....

[christina]

Thanks Irena
Lynn - I can't emphazise enough that Morgan needs preds & antibiotics together - the preds will deal with the pyoderma, the antibiotics with any secondary infections. You need to act swiftly, because it can get a lot worse. My Kimber looked like one of Frankenstein's invention after a few days (before treatment). I could hardly look at him without bursting into tears.... The photos that I've posted are nothing compared to how he looked a couple of days later....

If this condition does not get aggressively treated, there is a risk of bad scarring and the hairs might not always grow back. So time is of the essence. From the photo's Morgan's condition looks as severe as Kimber's did at the time.

If you get a chance, have the blood drawn for the thyroid panel before you start with preds, as preds might skewer the results a bit. But you can leave the thyroid testing until after the pyoderma has cleared up and Morgan is off all steroids .... but please have it done. If he were hypothyroid (and there is a high chance of that) then he needs treatment.

Best of luck, and please keep us all posted, Lynn.

Christina

[Irena]

And you have a private message as well Lynn (right here on the board, just letting you know I sent you one)

[greyghost]

THYROID CAN ALTER BEHAVIOR

BIZARRE BEHAVIORAL CHANGES? CHECK YOUR

DOG FOR HYPOTHYROIDISM

By W. Jean Dodds, DVM

www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/bizarre_behavior.htm

I found the above which might account for some of his behaviour recently. Some of it may apply to Morgan. Worth a read although it was written in 1992 so things have probably moved on since then.

I think Cheryl is pretty up to date on this subject is she not. I am sure I have seen posts re somebody in America who does a complete test. Some thyroid tests can be sub clinical in humans so wonder how many are missed with dogs. Anyway I am no expert, just remember seeing things posted over the years.

Good luck and I hope Morgan makes a complete recovery soon.

[christina]

Hello Greyghost,

I thought I had just about read everything that Jean Dodds has written on Hypothyroidism - but this one I had missed. Thank you for posting this excellent (and very much still up to date) website. I have now finally found some much needed references I had been looking for for some time.

Thanks
Christina

PS - the lab that does full thyroid panels in America btw, is Dr. Jean Dodds' Hemopet lab in California.
www.itsfortheanimals.com/HEMOPET.HTM
It is the best - and cheapest (!) - way to have a full thyroid check. People from all over the world send bloods to her - it is easy to do. You'll find instructions on the website. I would always recommend to go for a Profil #7200 - it's comprehensive and extremely good value for money. Just compare the prices with what your own vet would charged to the same test.....