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Post by stelei on Jan 9, 2009 17:42:55 GMT 1
As far as I know, several European countries still endorse a sharp, protective Weimaraner. I have been familiar to the German “Wesenstest” for a while, and this is my maine reason to avoid German dogs with top ratings in my breeding. The “Wesenstest” includes a moment where the owner leaves a personal belonging with the dog, and the dog is supposed to protect it from any threats, in the test, in the form of strangers approaching the item.
I reasently learned that the Dutch club have a similar test, and I`m afraid that more clubs endorse this.
What do we want? Could there be anything worse than a dog with BOTH a great will to hunt, AND a strong protective will? Is this not the recepie for catastropy? Imagine the dog hunting down the neighbours` five years old…
In my daily life, I want a pleasant, easy going dog with no strong protective genes, but with a strong desire to hunt. This is possible, look at the Brittish breeds! If I want protection, I`ll by an alarm or a dog breed for this protective behavior!!
My experience is that the sharpness and protectiveness is stronger representated in dogs from lines and countries where the pointing, bird dog skills are least representated. Furthermore theese dogs seem to be aggressive towards both humans and other dogs.
My claim is that the presence of these moments in the German and possibly several other European countries`s breeding cualifying tests is totally counter productive and the biggest threat to our beloved dogs survival as pointing, hunting dog.
I think that we all have to take a clear position in this matter, and focus on the behaviroal features, as documented in huntig tests and trials, WITHOUT tests for protectiveness, than only looking at show results and wonderful pedigrees.
If this problem is not solved quickly, the Weimaraner will soon be the next breed wearing a mouth cage, and who will want such a dog? Modern society requires otherwise!
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Post by marjolein on Jan 9, 2009 20:38:57 GMT 1
I think it's been a long time since you've been to see a Wesentest. Nowadays the German (and Dutch) don't test "agression" but protectiveness. The goal for Weimaraner owners is not a dog that attacks, but a dog who isn't phased by what is happening around him. Besides that, a Weimaraner is a dog with a strong mind. If you can't handle that, buy another dog that suits the sofa. Also, the Weimaraner is a German bred dog. The German wrote the breed standard. Who are we to try to change the breed because we have other ideas about how it should be?  People who don't know how to handle a Weim (and breeders who sell to everyone who's contacting them) should be "corrected", not the German who know very well what they're doing. I'm sorry, but I find your post rather arrogant. |
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Post by tasha on Jan 9, 2009 21:54:37 GMT 1
not to be rude but having read your post what in the world are you doing owning a Weimaraner??? I would suggest an alternative breed like a cocker spaniel or lab although neither breed have the grace, beauty and ability of a Weimaraner and also have the capability to bite. Neither are UK breeds but come from Spain and the US, although they have been seen here in the UK for generations.
The Weimaraner is a hunting breed and there is little and no point quoting british breeds your looking at completely different kettle of fish. As a country we are the creators of a vast majority of the terrier breeds who find their origins here all of which despite their size have a reputation for being sharp and mini killers with more than the odd bite given not just to children but to adults as well. We are also the creators of many of the bull breeds. The majority of the hunting dogs are imports from other countries that we have made our own through breeding.
Even the most gentle of the breed have the potential to be more than capable of qualifying for the german test despite not being bred or raised for it, in the wrong hands ANY dog is a danger. I have yet to see a dog who hunts down a 5 year old child and am completely appauld that you would associate our breed with such behaviour.
The tests are carried out under strict criteria and the dogs are TRAINED working dogs in the hands of experienced hunters not your average pet although many share their homes with their owners in perfect harmony and the manwork test is not the only test that they have to carry out for breeding purposes.
The german breeds are known for their protective instinct and duality of tasks, its that duality that attract them to so many people around the globe.
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Post by Steve Graham on Jan 12, 2009 8:01:49 GMT 1
First of all, note that Weimaraner character testing underwent substantial change as a result of the vote at the Hauptversammlung in March of 2001. See this link: www.weimaranerzucht.de/level2/wesenstest.htm (If you can't read German, try using Google's translation service) The action was in response to a perceived threat of legislation after some nasty attacks on children by fighting dogs. The Mannscharfprüfung was done away with after much discussion. Secondly, I want a dog that will protect me and my family without being aggressive. My German dogs will happily let you into our home if I let you in, but you're in deep trouble if break in. I like it that way and I feel good when I'm off hunting and my wife has a dog or two with her. |
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Post by stelei on Jan 20, 2009 22:48:08 GMT 1
Hi! I`ve waited a while, and read the comments with great interest. At first, I must appologice, and take some burden of misunderstanding on my shoulders due to language problems. To clearifie, my intent was simply to point that as long as that our breed is communly seen and experienced as a mediocer (?) pointing gun dog with a sharp temper, and it is!, it`s counter productive to keep on revarding and breeding dogs who have proven theese traits through tests. So be it if it`s in Germany or elsewhere. Modern society, in which most of us live, requires a dog which is easy goyng, well tempered and very little protective. The birdhunter - and our breed still belongs to group 7, doesn`t it? - requires a much more efficient ranging dog than the Weimaraner of to day is. One repliant said that "people like you should never own a Weimaraner" To her I simply say that I have owned several, have bred seven litters off them, and I hunt with them for at least 40 days every year in both lowlands, forrests and mountains. How many days have you hunted with yours? An other one reffered to "other Brittish breeds" and wrote about Terriers. Oh my! Isn`t this a forum for owners of pointing dogs? I took it for granted in my first posting that all of us in here had a clue.... I off course thaught abut the Setters and the Pointer! Otherwise, I would like to advise you all to pay attention to this excellent documentary from the BBC, not at least our friends from Poland who claimed that inbreeding was not a problem: vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=44215931 |
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Post by tasha on Jan 21, 2009 12:11:13 GMT 1
if you pay too much attention to that program shown on the BBC you will see that is was a VERY biased piece of film did not show that the vast majority of breeds are in fact healthy and fit for purpose only you don't get to hear about those because they are not news worthy and sensationalist. It also concentrated on the show ring not the field where the breeding of dogs is more down to fashion than to purpose rather than in the field where it is down to function. It was a very poor example of a program about dogs the breeds highlighted you might be interested to note were NOT HPR's but toy breeds, the ridgeback & certain bull breeds.
Yes I do hunt my dogs, no point having them if I didn't but they are duel purpose and my first acts as a guide/assistance dog as well at unversity, her temperament is fabulous and I have every faith in her or I would not have bred a litter to improve the hunting ability in the dogs I have. Don't assume that everyone is a pet owner or that they don't strive to make sure that the breed is still used as it should be. Having said that she would still protect me if there was a need for it that does not mean that she is a dangerous dog.
With regard to British breeds the English Setters and Pointers are no angels either I have yet to find a breed where there are not bad examples of temperament.
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Post by marjolein on Jan 21, 2009 20:13:08 GMT 1
Stelei, as much as I appreciate your views on the breed, I still like to disagree with you about the German dogs. Of course there are bad tempered dogs there, just as there are bad tempered dogs in each and every country of the world. Either due to (bad?) breeding or the lack of training or guidance or socialising.
I've hunted in Germany (with my own and other Weimaraners) and I've been to a couple of German tests (and wesentests). I've seen the change over the last decade in the German attitude towards dog behaviour. Although you still see the odd agressive dog, most dogs are perfectly well behaved and not too strong of characted. But of course this is just my humble opinion.
I do agree with you on the other hand that the best birddogs are the ones that have these soft characters. Setter-like characters. In fact, this is the base of my breeding programm, to breed birddogs. So for me these soft characters are very important too and in these characters lies the future of the field trials I think. Again, just my humble opinion.
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Post by calla on Jan 22, 2009 13:15:24 GMT 1
@ Stelei,
here is my "humble" opinion as a German, a hunter and a breeder of our beloved breed.
Let me ask you a question: what makes a Weimaraner a Weimaraner ?
Is it his pointing ability ? Well, there are other breeds that can point too.
Is it his versatility ? Here too stands the Weimaraner not alone.
Is it his color ? Here we can truly say yes ! There is no other HPR breed with this coloring.
My last question would be: is it the color alone that differs a Weim from other pointing breeds ? If for an example I would dye a Viszla or GSP grey, would he pass for a Weimaraner ? I would say no ! Besides the color the character is what makes the Weimaraner unique .
A protective character was always a part of being a Weimaraner, and it is good that the German club still evaluated this character trade. A protective dog is not to be mistaken for a bad tempered biting dog ! I myself have a female with lots of "Mannschärfe" and "Schutztrieb", and I also have 3 kids. She is as social as can be when I am present. But try to enter the property when nobody is home ! It is also good to know when I am out hunting late at night or early in the morning that my dog is protective. She´ll defend me without compromise but is at the same time is completely obedient. A Weim with a Vizla personality does not belong in a breeding program. This character is not typical for a Weim and should be penalized just as tan markings. Even here in Germany a Weimaraner mustn´t have "mannschärfe" but still is not as soft as e.g. a Vizla.
If we look back at the origin of the Weimaraner, it was always stated that he shows his best work "after" the shot. Means searching, retrieving and for most tracking ( blood tracks that is).
Weimaraners are capable of extraordinary work in these subjects compared with other pointing breed. That "talent" historians say lays in the descentantcy of the Weimaraner. He´s supposedly the only pointing breed that still carries "Leithund" blood (a Leithund was a hound ).
So if people bitch about the lack of field quality in Weims compared to other pointing breeds. I would say guess why ?
It is more typical for a Weimaraner to be a good tracker rather than a wide and fast searcher. That is the reason that no female of mine gets bred unless passing a blood tracking test. A calm personality that is capable of concentrating on a difficult track, having enough sharpness to if necessary pull down or hold the deer or wild boar is a typical Weimaraner - not the hyper "bird dog only". If a do nothing else but field work why mess with a Weim ? Go for the Ferrari and buy an English pointer ! But please don´t try to form the Weimaraner into something that he is not - something that would make him better suitable in YOUR eyes. With over 400 breed world wide I don´t see the need for a grey Vizla or Pointer.
Once our breed gets reduced to it´s color only it´s doomed. It is already bad enough that Weims become more and more show dogs and hunting instincts gets less important. I am glad that I breed these wonderful dogs in a country where only"true" versatile dogs with a firm character are allowed to be bred.
My sincere opinion.
Nadja
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Post by cummel on Jan 22, 2009 14:50:06 GMT 1
Most important in this matter is in my opinion the responsibility of the breeder that only dogs with very stable characters are used for breeding. The dog may only react protective in real situations, the threshold level must be high enough to avoid dangerous situations in normal life.
A good thing to test this is used during the German Wesenstest, where a dog which shows protectiveness toward an attacking person has to be social during controlling the tattoo afterwards by the same person.
But most of all the dog must be socialized and obedient, handled by a responsible and consequent owner who knows very good what kind of breed he takes at home.
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Post by stelei on Jan 22, 2009 18:40:18 GMT 1
Hello all!
Thanks a lot for your mostly relevant, educating and interesting replies.
I`m very glad that a German breeder answered, and I fully respect your wiev. The Weimaraner world would be a much better place if all breeders followed your example!
But, and there`s always a but, I reserve my right to disagree to your opinions on two points (poor English!) By the way, I already own a Ferrari, an English Pointer which is my preferred hunting companion in the waste Norwegians mountains, hunting for Ptarmigan Grouse. My Weimaraner, luckily, does an OK job even there, but she is my favourite in the woodlands, hunting for Black Grouse and Capercailly (?) or as a retriever hunting ducks. Together they are a superb team! My slogan in breeding: A friendly Weimaraner with a huge desire to hunt!
Protectiveness, or “Manscharfe”
I regard this trait as totally unnessesary and a threath to our beloved breed in to days world. The dogs that go into breeding in Germany have all documented that they have this trait. Let`s say that in a litter, maybe two or three puppies inherit this trait in a good fashion, i.e. in a combination with otherwise a well balanced temper and a not TOO strong mind. Theese dogs later on might go into breeding them selves with flying colours. But what about the rest of the litter? And furthermore, if one of theese dogs end up in the wrong hands? Amongst theese dogs we will find several undesiered combinations of mental abilities and traits, and – God forbid – the one dog that hunts down the neighbours five years old. She, the child, very well might be the stranger entering your property as described in another posting in this thread. This danger would easily be eliminated it the protectiveness all together was eliminated in the breed. And please, tell me: how many times have any of you in this forum really needed the Weimaraners sharpness and protectiveness? Are those few instances, if any, really worth the bad reputation, often well founded, our dogs have?
Hunting,
I might have chosen my words poorly, but what I think the Weimaraner lacks is a long lasting, totally dominating desire to hunt. In Norway, we call it “jaktlyst”, and it`s been evaluated at all our trials. This desire manifests it selves through speed, efficiency and continuity in the fieldwork, not nessesarily through the number of meters it ranges.
Through my ten years with the Weimaraner in northern Europe, I have seen SO many examples of grey dogs, hunting or at trials, who give up, follow a track, bury their nose in the ground and start digging, or simply go back to their handler. I have also seen way too many being more interested in the other dog, oftenly in an aggressive way, than to hunt on its own.
The biggest problem our dogs are confronted with is anyway not these “details”. “Weimaraner Rescue” and other initiatives would have been unnessesary if the show focus was taken away. I`m sad to see that show results have such a dominating place in this, and many other Weimaraner forums.
We own a hunting dog, belonging to FCI Group 7, don`t we?
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Post by marjolein on Jan 22, 2009 19:50:41 GMT 1
Protectiveness, or “Manscharfe” I regard this trait as totally unnessesary and a threath to our beloved breed in to days world. The dogs that go into breeding in Germany have all documented that they have this trait. This is not correct. It is not what the German want to see nowadays. They want a dog that snows agression nor fear. They want a dog that's "unbeeindruckt". They even changed the grades they give at wesentests, I think to show the difference between the old way of judging and the new way. Nadja, can you confirm this??? The biggest problem our dogs are confronted with is anyway not these “details”. “Weimaraner Rescue” and other initiatives would have been unnessesary if the show focus was taken away. I`m sad to see that show results have such a dominating place in this, and many other Weimaraner forums. We own a hunting dog, belonging to FCI Group 7, don`t we? Sadly I have to agree with you. I've even already started a post about this fact a while ago. |
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Post by stelei on Jan 22, 2009 21:11:59 GMT 1
Hi again.
Calla, the German breeder writes: "A protective character was always a part of being a Weimaraner, and it is good that the German club still evaluated this character trade", end of quote.
Marjolain on the other hand writes the oposite, that the Wesenstest favours a dog that does not respond to the person approaching the owners belongings.
Please enlighten me, what is the fact?
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Post by calla on Jan 23, 2009 0:04:43 GMT 1
The "new" wesenstest established in 2001 gives following ratings.
WG1 = dog is unimpressed, shows neither fear nor aggressiveness toward the testing person. This dog is eligible for breeding.
WG2 = dog shows protective behavior, barks only, makes attempts to bite. A true contact is not possible anymore.
The club doesn´t favor any of the two. It is up to the breeders what kind of character they prefer for breeding.
A dog is not passing the test when they try to avoid the threatening approach of the tester, pinch their tail, roll on their back, or bite out of fear.
Keep in mind that you are allowed to give your dog a rucksack or game to protect, or leave him with nothing ! For my young female this will make a hell of a difference ! If I just tie her on a stake without nothing to protect she would look at the tester trying to scare her like he´s ready for the madhouse ;D Try the same test again with a rucksack and a rabbit inside .......
So I personally don´t give too much about the grading WG1 or 2.
Before I use a stud I need to see him hunt and interact with his and my family. Mannschärfe and a sound character don´t exclude each other !
Stelei you asked what about the pups with the undesired character. That a legitimate question. If a dog is highly aggressive and not controllable he needs to be euthanized. But let me ask you what about the pups that come from softy parents and are not suitable. Dogs that are so sensible and easy scared that they bite out of fear ? The result is the same. When 2 strong characters produce a too aggressive dog you have a problem, but when 2 soft dogs produce a fearful dog you have a problem as well. And the person that gets bit doesn´t care about the underlying causes.
I agree with you when you see a problem in some Weims with their stamina to hunt. I have seen that too. In some cases it had do to with lack of experience. Since I am not completely sure what you mean, I give you my opinion on that too.
I once owned a GSP and we do still own Dachshunds. When I compare their hunting craziness my Weims are sure different. The Dachshund jips and japs when he sees us getting ready and when we come close to the fox burrow he even lets out a war cry ! Our GSP would have gone with anybody smelling like hunting. She went for satisfying her own instinct. Now my Weims wag their tell and get all happy, but still remain in a clear state of mind. And my girls can hunt ! My young female you would probably like because she is unlike her mother a fast wide searching dog that can run for hours. The mother was never the greatest field dog with a much closer but very thorough search. But don´t you underestimate her desire to hunt.
The will to hold a blood track over more than 2 kilometers, the determination to find the game, the concentration and quality of nose - never in my live I had such a good tracker ! She´s about as good as dogs that do nothing else but tracking. There is no giving up on the track and a dog needs stamina for tracking. Especially the longer tracks can end very often in the game not being dead. What good is a dog that fears the boar or the deer ? A dog needs sharpness to be a good tracker otherwise a lot of game gets lost.
Most Weimaraners prefer to hunt with and close to their masters, in generally I don´t see a problem in that. It is a question of training anyway. Once a Weims knows it´s worthwhile going more out they´ll do.
Nadja
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Post by marjolein on Jan 23, 2009 10:29:23 GMT 1
The club doesn´t favor any of the two. It is up to the breeders what kind of character they prefer for breeding. A judge told me otherwise. Well, this could've been his personal opinion. |
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Post by stelei on Jan 23, 2009 19:44:15 GMT 1
Hello  . I feel obliged to repeat my question: Have any of you IRL (In Real Life) needed the Weimaraners sharpness and protective will and abilyties? I have bred several litters my selves, many of them with German dogs quite near in their pedigree, and I`m sad to say that I have experienced at more than one occasion a dog from my breeding has "crossed the line" and bit a human. This has happened a lot more often than with dogs from friends kennels, with other breeds of gun dogs. Is it plain non sense to think that this fact may have something to do with "the founding fathers" practise to do? Hence my scepticism towards the Germans and their "Wesenstest"? The trauma suffered by the bitten person, the dogs owner and me as the breeder was a burden I don`t wish upon anyone! One of you, Tasha?, praised the show people for their work, claiming that thanks to them Weimaraners no longer fight in the ring. To your information: the still do, and they even sometimes attac their owner or handler. I have vitnessed this my selves. I will reccomend you all to take a close look at the Weimaraners physical confirmation 50 years ago, and note the changes!! Todays dogs are heavier, bulkier and less built for speed and endurance. As a "bonus" from the show people, we see dogs who mentally are agressive towards other dogs as soon as they get the chance, i.e. are let loose with a dog at for example a trial. "Marvellous behavior and mental status" in the Show ring, but what when it`s let loose in the fields? Denying this fact is in my mind a disquallifying error in my eyes! Many of the people responding to my original posting very soon have startet describing and discussing their own dogs and their own breeding. Get a grip! We have to be able, and allow , our selves to take an eagles view on the Weimaraner. As long as we focus on just our own, and deny any faults in our own practise, the breed is the final sufferor. Kennel blindness is a good term. After reffering to their own superb dogs, some of you have blaimed the Puppy Mills. My response to this is simply: Why is there a market for Weimaraners from such terrible places? Easy! It`s because of the Show Industry in tandem with uncritical owners letting their dogs becoming "Pin ups or Posterboys" An eager hunter would have turned such offers down! Well, this is how I summ up this thread so far, I`m sure I`ll get feedback  I still blame the Show Industry and totally unneccesary protectiveness as deired (?) by the Germans for our beloved Weimaraners problems. - Stein |
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Post by marjolein on Jan 23, 2009 20:16:04 GMT 1
Hello . I feel obliged to repeat my question: Have any of you IRL (In Real Life) needed the Weimaraners sharpness and protective will and abilyties? Just once and that stupid German bred dog of mine didn't even react.....   |
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Post by tasha on Jan 24, 2009 18:44:18 GMT 1
actually yes... As a woman who spends an awful lot of her time alone in the woods early and late hours there are occassions where having a dog to hand that is protective and vocal has been an asset and a bit of a godsend. Unlike some of the more burly men on here I don't have your fisty cuffs abilities. Stelei have you seen the dogs in the UK show rings??? Or is your reference to dogs in Europe?? I've been to several shows in the UK although I am not an avid participant myself I have only seen 1 dog have a grumble in the showring and that was not a UK dog it was a participant from Europe and caused a great stir on the sidelines because of its bad behaviour. Stelei maybe taking a look at my friends website you'll see how useful IRL a protective dog can be... www.annakeen.com/sketchblog/ If you look at numbers 1, 3 & 4. Anna is a painter and her dog is her companion and her protection he has a fabulous temperament both with people and dogs. In the crufts one just as the judge was about to go over him the ring steward TROD on his tail....not surprising he didn't want his balls groaped. |
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Post by chiendog on Jan 28, 2009 2:54:57 GMT 1
Stelei, You raise some interesting points in your original post. While I do not agree with most of them, I do understand that they are heartfelt on your part and shared by other Weim breeders as well. I would like to point out a few difficulties on some of the arguments/comments you've made though. I won't get into the details of the Wesenstest, but suffice it to say that I am familiar with both the old way and the new modified version. You have every right to avoid dogs with top ratings in the test. Some other breeders do likewise. It is their choice. But no matter which you choose, it is the test that provides you with the information you require to make the choice. Without the Wesentest, how would you know what sort of protective nature the dog may or may not have? The Weimaraner, like many of the German HPR breeds is bred throughout the world, over 10 thousands weims pups a year in the US alone, thousands in England, thousands in France, thousands elsewhere. There is no "we". There are many different versions of the weimaraner out there, from very good hunting dogs to absolute crap. The protective instinct runs from very strong to absolute cowards that will piss on the floor if you raise your voice. There is no "we". You want fast, wide running, hard pointing weims (so do I!) others, want slower, closer workers. Some want protective ones. So be it. You have all the information you need to find the dogs you want and avoid the ones you don't. Yes. A dog with a great will to hunt but no brain. A dog with a great will to hunt and no nose. A dog with a great will to hunt but no desire to hunt with the hunter. I think you've just answered your own question: If you want a weim with no protective genes, find them.They are out there. Then breed them. If you want a British dog, buy one. If you want an alarm dog, buy one. I think the worst choice would be trying to change a testing and breeding system that has existed for nearly a hundred years in a country you don't live in . How much success would a German hunter have if he wanted to "stop the madness" of breeding un-protective British dogs in the UK? Oh, an in case you believe that all British Bird Dogs are gentle creatures with no tendency towards aggression, you may want to do a google search for "Springer Spaniel Rage". I am sure there have been five year old hunted down and killed by dogs somewhere in the world (actually it happens every year or two here in the north of Canada. Husky or Husky/wolf crosses sometimes kill children). But can you name one single solitary instance anytime, anywhere that a Weimaraner was involved...ever? This is true. The average German HPR dog owner will kill more boar in a year than pheasanst, more deer in a year than partridge in his lifetime. Much of the courage they breed for is focused on the requirements of big game hunting. Can you find any statistics at all that indicate any HPR breed is even in the top 50 breeds most likely to attack people? Here is a page that looks at dog attacks, the breeds that are most often involved etc. It is from the US so may not reflect the scene in Europe, but remember there are more Weimaraners bred in the US (with no testing of character at all) than in the rest of the world combined. www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html Note that one report linked to the page indicates that from 1982 to 2006 there was ONE reported attack by a weimaraner that resulted in maiming compared to over 400 by German Shepherds and over 1000 by Pitbulls. Obviously the people who run the club disagree with you. I would also suggest that the biggest threat to our beloved dog's survival has nothing to do with the Wesentest, and has everything to do with non-hunters breeding them for pets and anti-hunters trying to paint us and our dogs as murderers. Resorting to the "modern society" argument is very dangerous. It is used every day to attack hunters: there are millions of people that truly believe that there is not place at all in "modern society" for hunting. There are even some that believe dog ownership should be abolished. What are your attitudes towards people who see what we as hunters as "madness"? Would you follow their advice and stop hunting? |
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Post by chiendog on Jan 28, 2009 4:09:02 GMT 1
I managed to find some information on dangerous dog breeds in Germany: The dogs regarded as most dangerous in Germany are the American Pit Bull, English Bull terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier; regarded as less dangerous are other Bull terriers, the Mastiff, Bull mastiff, and Rhodesian Ridgeback. In a study from 1992 to 1996 that involved 245 German cities, cross breeds caused the most bites (2376), followed by German shepherds (1956), Pit Bulls (320), Dobermans (223) and Bull terriers (169). K. Seksel, Report to the NSW Department of Local Government on Breed Specific Legislations Issues Relating To Control of Dangerous Dogs, 7-8 (2002). and www.london.diplo.de/Vertretung/london/en/06/other__legal__matters/Dangerous__dogs__seite.htmlThe following is a (non-exhaustive) list of breeds of dogs which are classified as generally or potentially dangerous under the regulation of one or more federal states and in respect of which an inquiry to the competent authority of the relevant state is therefore advisable: 1. Dogs which at full maturity reach a shoulder height of over 40 cm or a weight of over 20 kg (North Rhine Westfalia only). NOTE: This would mean that all HPR breeds (except maybe the Brittany) as well as English Setters and Pointers are classified as generally or potentially dangerous in North Rhine Westfalia 2. Dogs of the following breeds: - Akbas - Alano - American Staffordshire Terrier * - Bandog - Berger de Beauce (Beauceron) - Berger de Brie (Briard) - Bullmastiff - Bull-terrier * - Cane Corso - Carpatin - Chinesischer Kampfhund (Chinese fighting dog) - Dobermann - Dogo Argentino - Dogue de Bordeaux - Estrela-Berghund - Fila Brasileiro - Kangal - Karakatschan - Karshund - Kaukasischer Owtscharka - Komondor - Kraski Ovcar - Kuvasz - Liptak (Goralenhund) - Maremmaner Hirtenhund - Mastiff - Mastin de los Pirineos - Mastin Espanol - Mastino Napoletano - Mioritic - Mittelasiatischer Owtscharka - Perro de Presa Canario - Perro de Presa Mallorquin - Pitt-bull-terrier * - Polski Owczarek Podhalanski - Pyrenäenberghund - Raffeiro do Alentejo - Rhodesian Ridgeback - Römischer Kampfhund - Rottweiler - Sarplaninac - Slovensky Cuvac - Staffordshire Bull-terrier * - Südrussischer Owtscharka - Tibetanischer Mastiff - Tornjak - Tosa Inu * these breeds are prohibited in any event |
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