why now ? (night poop problem )

[kelandmitzi]

My pup has the past 3 nights started leaving smelly piles for me in the morning ....

she has her toilets (lots) during the day & last thing at night b4 its her bed time , she is never left for longer than 6.5 hours of a night .

her last meal is at approx 5-6 pm & she has 3 meals a day she is also fed dried food.

This morning I was greeted with 2 huge piles , 1 she managed to do on the puppy mat.

is there anything I can do to nip this in the bud?

she dosnt seem unwell or quieter than usual .....

[marjolein]

Sounds like a little virus or bacterial infection to me. I'd give her some probiotics (you can sell that at Dorwest but I'm sure there are other places to buy it as well), rice and boiled chicken, together with the water you're boiling it in. These ingredients help lining the inside of the gut which makes her better faster.

[kelandmitzi]

Thankyou, I am unsure about her now I think a trip to the doggy doc is in order , she is very quiet today and very well behaved , she is sleeping as i write.
she has already had 3 very sloppy watery toilets. bless

[greyghost]

Hi Kelly, Mar is thinking of Benebac I think (after chatting with her) and it doesn't seem to be available in the UK.

You can get probiotics here:

www.highernature.co.uk/ShowProductFamily.aspx?ProductFamilyID=301

But they should not be given with anti biotics as the anti b's will just kill them before the get to the intestine to do their work.

There is another product I have in my cupboard, just in case called pro kolin:

www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod6.asp?prod_id=1517&id=115&sub_cat=490&grpid=1517&msg=&offset=9

It may be that you have introduced something new into the diet too quickly or even changed it completely. Whilst they need a varied diet to encourage as many enzymes as possible it must be done very gradually. Some dogs can take the changes (Holly can) and others can't. My last dog, Abbie, used to get the squits at the slightest change of food. Look at what treats you are giving her and see what she is hoovering up on walks etc.

Unles she has a temperature or you are really worried (which is easy at this stage) I would keep away from anti biotics. They are not something you reach for routinely, her immune system should be able to sort a simple bug.

Has she just had her jabs by any chance? Can you think of any changes that may have caused it?

I'm going to send you a PM (private message) with my phone number. Feel free to ring anytime. Do you know how to pick up PM's??

[marjolein]

How is she today???

[kelandmitzi]

Today Mitzi seems better , we only had 1 poop this am & it seems to be getting less sloppy and watery , my other half said that she could have eaten a crab apple the other night on her evening walk , so he has changed his route for her walk so that Mitzi hasnt got the chance of eating anything while out ....

Greyghost , many thanks for your pm with your number , its nice to know I have someone to call for advice b4 rushing to the vets x

Many thanks for your replys x

[greyghost]

I'll always try and help where I can Kelly but I am not a qualified vet nurse like Mar. Am here for emotional support too.......Glad to hear she is on the mend.

[kelandmitzi]

maybe not so good after all , her most recent poop just 20 minutes ago showed some red which looks very much like blood so now very worried indeed , she has also just wiped her back end along the grass ... We will have to for sure take her along to the doggy doc this evening , Mitzi is eating normal and drinkng well & has had nothng unusual for the past 48 hours .... could it be she needs worming again ? she was last wormed 4 weeks ago ...

[kelandmitzi]

Parvovirus is it possible? even tho Mitzi had the injection for this ??

[weima]

She could have colitis if she is passing blood. For such a young dog I would take to the vet.

Don't worm her while she has an upset tum as this may only make things worse!

[kelandmitzi]

We will take her to this evenings surgery & hope they can solve it for us & Mitzi ...

[greyghost]

Let us know how you get on. Try not to worry. She is not the first this has happened to. Hugs....

[marjolein]

How did you get on at the vets?

[kelandmitzi]

we have to wait till tomorrow morning we missed the evening surgery so have to make sure to be there extra early tomorrow , although Mitzi seems fine at the moment she is more livley and still eating well and drinking plenty ... but the poop problem is a bit of a worry.

Thank you for asking x

[narelle]

The blood could just be from straining unless there is a significant amount in the stool.....

[marjolein]

Yes, blood isn't necesarily (sp?) something to worry about. When the larger intestine is inflammated, small vessels can rupture quite easily which will show bloody stool. If she's back to normal, I'd try to sort it with the stuff already adviced.

[kelandmitzi]

After a vistit to the doggy doc Mitzi has a temp , also given a steroid injection and on 2 lots of tabs , been advised to starve her for 24 hours and start on sensitive food from vets ... hope to see some improvment from now ...

vets talked of colitis.

[Rachel]

Do you live in the UK? Sorry I forget.
As the others have said, sometimes small amounts of blood stained mucas is nothing to worry about, as if a dog has diarrhoea it can be just raw inside. Sometimes puppies can catch virus's, or they eat something that has not agreed with them. When ever a dog of mine has a stomach upset, I would starve it for 24 hours just giving water, then feed chicken and rice, bland foods, and then gradually put back the puppy food again. What food are you giving her? Weimaraner puppies do best on a Gluten free diet. I feed a food called Arden Grange which is gluten free.
If you are in the UK and would like some advice and do not want to post publically you know where I am, just send me an email, click my link below, as I am happy to share Weimy info.

Always remember if a puppy goes quiet, lethargic and not themselves you should seek a vet straight away as they probably have a high temperature. Check your dogs temperature yourself if you can. Insert a digital thermometer into the butt and wait until it bleeps. A dogs normal range of temperature is 100.9 to 101.7 if it goes over the higher then your dog needs probably some antibioitics.
Rachel

[kelandmitzi]

UPDATE:

Mitzi is doing very well , after 24 hours of no eating ... gave her her 1st feed of the food vets gave us (chicken&rice for sensitive canine) with in half an hour she had a lovely poop and showinn no signes of straining etc and it was like sausages sorry TMI but so pleased for my pup .... I will infuture make sure she is fed food for sensitive tummys as recommended on here & the vets.

I am so pleased for her

[greyghost]

Pleased to hear she is picking up. The food the vets give you is megga expensive. There are a number of grain/gluten free foods around. I am using one called Orijen at the moment, not cheap but it is lovely. They do a puppy mix too. Forthglade and Naturediet is wet food ( ::)edited to say not grain free as they use rice, but is all natural food and gluten free) (I use Forthglade (also gluten free) and mix it with the dry + water).

It's a mine field out there when it comes to dog food. However, the best food of all is of course BARF, natural raw food. I use packs of raw meat now and then, some raw lambs heart (Tesco) chicken wings etc.

Here is some more reading for you - your poor girl you. Well you did want a weimi. BTW it is better for the dogs to get used to a variety of foods but very, very gradually introduced. The more enzymes they produce in the gut the better they cope and their immune system gets boosted.

When you have finished this treatment make sure you replace the gut flora with some pro-biotics as discussed earlier. The more anti b's/steroids your pup has at this age can ultimately compromise the immune system, so best avoided if at all possible.

I know it is difficult with a new pup, the worry is immense. I am far more relaxed now with my second and hardly ever visit the vet.... (famous last words).

Here are the links for foods we have tried and tested and a link for BARF.

www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm#top

www.prizechoice.co.uk/products/mincedmeats/
These are the packs of raw meat with the right amount of bone added. Meat alone is too rich (too much phosphorus - below from this site: www.2ndchance.info/dogfood.htm (taken in a hurry and at random )

Minerals:

There are twelve minerals that are essential for dogs. One of these, calcium, is essential for the formation of bone and teeth and as a signal chemical between nerve cells. Puppies that do not receive sufficient calcium have pinkish, translucent teeth a bow-legged stance and knobby painful joints. Partial bone fractures in these puppies are common. Most of these puppies were the offspring of nutritionally deprived mothers. Others received a diet that was primarily meat and bread. Meat is low in calcium and high in phosphorus. High phosphorus interferes with the absorption of the little calcium that meat contains. Older dogs on low calcium high phosphorus diets also suffer from tooth and bone problems. A lack of vitamin D3 can also contribute to this.



www.zooplus.co.uk/google/-6962/shop/dogs/dry_dog_food/orijen?gclid=CO2bg9WowI4CFQ0eEgodqFPBww (UK stockist)

More info on the above: www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/orijen/

www.forthglade.com/

www.naturediet.net/products/index.html

www.wellbeloved.co.uk/ (not sure they do a puppy one)

If you want to be sure whether your dog does have an intolerence to anthing you can ask your vet to York Test them. www.yorktest.com/

Do you have her insured? And if so, who with? What food were you feeding before?

Ooops lots of reading there - sorry......