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Post by Wetdog on Aug 20, 2006 18:23:10 GMT 1
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Post by marjolein on Aug 20, 2006 20:08:27 GMT 1
Terrible news.
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Post by rute_paredes on Aug 21, 2006 23:14:05 GMT 1
Terrible indeed.
We live near a housing project where there are a number of pit bulls, some of them rather agressive looking and acting, others not at all.
However, I must say some of the nastiest experiences I've had with dogs have been with specimens of "regular" breeds which clearly had not been socialized and brought up correctly in their seemingly nice homes with "nice" owners.
I think ignorance and prejudice are dangerous threats to all dog owners and dogs.
I don't believe in "bad breeds" only bad people and bad breeding, like someone said in the GSD forum.
rute
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Post by jai on Aug 22, 2006 8:41:36 GMT 1
I agree with you Rute,
Most people I have heard with dogs like Mastiffs,, pit bulls, some of the "nastier" breeds think that teaching them how to do that is great fun. The police who did the investigation on the attack of my dogs had told me that the pit bulls had been walked by my house daily by their owner and that they had the scent of them from their house, where they escaped from. What made this whole thing even worse, my dogs were attacked after school hours, the pits came across 3 streets, and through 2 playgrounds with kids just to get to my dogs. The investigator said that the breeds like that are taught to 'lock on" to a familiar scent and destroy.
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Post by rute_paredes on Aug 22, 2006 13:39:57 GMT 1
Your story has chilled me right to the bone. I hope the owner of the pitt bulls faced some sort of punishment at the hands of the law. How anyone can actually plan for something like this to happen is just beyond all reason. I agree with you Rute, Most people I have heard with dogs like Mastiffs,, pit bulls, some of the "nastier" breeds think that teaching them how to do that is great fun. The police who did the investigation on the attack of my dogs had told me that the pit bulls had been walked by my house daily by their owner and that they had the scent of them from their house, where they escaped from. What made this whole thing even worse, my dogs were attacked after school hours, the pits came across 3 streets, and through 2 playgrounds with kids just to get to my dogs. The investigator said that the breeds like that are taught to 'lock on" to a familiar scent and destroy. |
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Post by fialCo on Aug 22, 2006 19:03:53 GMT 1
jeee, people don't know what breeds they keep! In Lithuania it is very popular to have a stafordshire or mastif, or pitbull, or a mix of those breeds. Mots of them are forbidden, you have to have a permision from a government to keep them.. Those dogs without strict training are uncontrolled, I see it everytime I come to our training field, little women just cannot keep them, if they'd slip from their masters, all our dogs would be masacred:( I don't understand, what's the point of keeping an agressive dog...
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Post by Wetdog on Aug 23, 2006 2:18:31 GMT 1
I think the point is that there are a lot of people who are aggressive themselves, and since they cann't get away with it themselves(at least get away with being openly aggressive)---
They do things like swagger, talk too loudly, and act intimidating.
They drive SUV's or trucks with huge engines and oversize tires(often jacked up to ridiculous hieghts--so they can "look down on everyone else---it makes no sense to have a four wheel drive vehicle jacked up 6 ft. off the ground for clearance---the axels are still in the same place)
I'm sure if such people could legally swagger around with a Colt six shooter strapped to their hip like an Old West gunfighter, they would.
In short---the people act and display and encourage all the same signs of aggressive behavior that the dogs do. The owners not only like having a breed that is widely recognized as strong, powerful and dangerous--they revel in it.
At least this is how it all appears to me.
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Post by fialCo on Aug 23, 2006 12:05:00 GMT 1
you know, Fred, I think I'm agressive too, but I hope I still think clearly, and gaining a dog means to me fighting with my agressivenes:) Dog helps me to relax after hard work, I usually calm down when I walk or train her. This is the right point, I guess.
In Lithuania nobody has truks or pick-ups with oversized clearance:) Backwards, usually people who keep agressive dogs, ride in a '84 VW golf with LPG, pretends cool and looks stupid. As I have written, weak women probably inherit those dogs from their grandsons, who emigrated to UK or Ireland. Otherwise I do not have an explanation for such a decision to keep an agressive, hard-to-understand dog.
Of course, there are always cases such like you said - wacky people who want to keep exactly those dangerous breeds just to ensure their own power or strength..
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Post by Wetdog on Aug 23, 2006 12:19:31 GMT 1
Of coarse the trappings will be different from place to place, a big tip off is the way they dress usually too, but you have the idea.
The dog is an extension of what and who you are---or what and who you want to be(or have others think) maybe even more than what you are.
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Post by rute_paredes on Aug 23, 2006 13:57:17 GMT 1
I have to say that from my experience, Wetdog's post is right on the money.
Most people that own aggressive breed relish in walking around in public with a "menacing weapon". If they could, they'd be totting AK47's around because they want to look cool and mean and macho. Macho is a very big thing with this crowd. They love intimidating people, and folks walking around with other dogs have to be on their guard for they are just looking for an excuse to let you know that if they wanted, his dog would tear you and your dog apart like paper. Many of these unsavoury characters I fear train their dogs to be aggressive and some I know use them in fights.
I have also encountered people who like these dogs for their courage and physical power and do not particularly encourage aggresive behaviour. However they make crucial mistakes in the dogs upbringing - no obedience training and no socializing. You can image the results.
I also believe your dog is a reflection of who you are and who you want to be.
You may be high-strung Fialco, but you fight it and act calm and collected near your dogs. that is who and how you want to be.
Not everybody is as balanced as you are, unfortunately .
rute
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Post by fialCo on Aug 23, 2006 16:10:56 GMT 1
hehe, Rute, thanks:) I'm not very agressive, but if something comes to the conflict, I would defend myself, my dogs, everything, even if I'm not right:) I'm smart enought, I know the rules, the law, the rights etc:) Do not accept everything word by word I said. But as I am very active, I shall never be quiet and let things go by their way. So dog lets me concentrate more, relax more and forget all my troubles:) That means, that I am learning to be quiet:) I guess..
ok, back to agressive dogs. Rute, you are right about it. And socialization, and obedience, and other training could help, but we'll never change people who never want to know anything about dog as an animal. Nothing, just it barks and could kill someone. That's what a great dog should be!
And unfortunatelly,in my country they steal dogs from coutryside houses and sell them to those who organise dog fights - they let little mongrel dogs with staffs and mastifs... who easily kill them:( All the watchers, those crazy damned men are in ecstasy, watching deaths of all little country dogs...Where does our society go???
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Post by rute_paredes on Aug 23, 2006 16:36:16 GMT 1
hehe I did not take you to your word fialCo, I didnt think you were aggessive at all. I ventured calling you "high strung", which is what I am too. (From your description, I was probably wrong). But I am also learning how to be more calm and patient thanks to my dog. It's very difficult to deal wit the fact that these sick, twisted people are out there doing their evil sttuff, hurting dogs and humans alike. It's a pity they can't be muzzled and put in a cage. they deserve it far more than the dogs. hehe, Rute, thanks:) I'm not very agressive, but if something comes to the conflict, I would defend myself, my dogs, everything, even if I'm not right:) I'm smart enought, I know the rules, the law, the rights etc:) Do not accept everything word by word I said. But as I am very active, I shall never be quiet and let things go by their way. So dog lets me concentrate more, relax more and forget all my troubles:) That means, that I am learning to be quiet:) I guess.. ok, back to agressive dogs. Rute, you are right about it. And socialization, and obedience, and other training could help, but we'll never change people who never want to know anything about dog as an animal. Nothing, just it barks and could kill someone. That's what a great dog should be! And unfortunatelly,in my country they steal dogs from coutryside houses and sell them to those who organise dog fights - they let little mongrel dogs with staffs and mastifs... who easily kill them:( All the watchers, those crazy damned men are in ecstasy, watching deaths of all little country dogs...Where does our society go??? |
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Post by fialCo on Aug 24, 2006 6:47:31 GMT 1
Rute, are you comming to Poznan? Yes? we should Vidros do aumento of wine for a perfect agreement and similar characters:) cheers!
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Post by rute_paredes on Aug 24, 2006 12:13:00 GMT 1
;D I'm sorry but I'm not coming to Poznan. Our Weim is not a show dog, just a big show off!  But I'd love to visit Poland. From the pictures our fellow forum members post, it looks like a wonderful place to visit with a Weim. Best of luck in Poznan however and I'll make sure to put several garrafas (bottles) of vinho tinto (red wine) aside para ti (for you) if you ever come to Portugal. We can talk diferenças (differences) and parecenças (similarities) then. rute Rute, are you comming to Poznan? Yes? we should Vidros do aumento of wine for a perfect agreement and similar characters:) cheers! |
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Post by fialCo on Aug 25, 2006 17:07:02 GMT 1
Rute, I will come to Purtugal surely! One of my favourite countries, and though I don't know portuguese, I understand you very well! Portugal wine is absolutely special:) I love it.
I hope to meet you and talk about everything:)
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Post by Wetdog on Aug 25, 2006 21:48:41 GMT 1
LMAO!!! great saying Rute, I love it.
I'd like to see Portugal someday too. As a matter of fact, I'd like to hear something and see pictures of where everyone is.
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Post by rute_paredes on Aug 27, 2006 0:30:10 GMT 1
;D If you want to check out Iago's level of blatant self-promotion and sky-high self-esteem, check out his blog (http://umdiadecaozinho.blogspot.com) Unfortunately its all written in Portuguese  but from the amount of pictures you'll know what I mean. Heck, he might just post in English, for the sake of impressing you  LMAO!!! great saying Rute, I love it. I'd like to see Portugal someday too. As a matter of fact, I'd like to hear something and see pictures of where everyone is. I think you'd like Portugal. Its a pretty small country but its very diversified in terms of what it has to offer (history, nature, art, food&wine, etc). One of the places in Portugal I definitely recommend visiting is the Azores Islands. www.visitazores.org/I don't live here I'm afraid.  |
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Post by tasha on Aug 28, 2006 17:57:47 GMT 1
I wouldn't want my dogs to be trained for aggression just in case they had to be rehomed or kennelled in cases of an emergency. It would be heartbreaking.
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Post by syrinx on Nov 8, 2006 8:28:29 GMT 1
Gee, some things are the same the world over! We have the same types with the same dogs who do the same kinds of things and drive the same kind of vehicles, although we don't have the jacked up ones. Any kind of stuctural changes like that have to have an engineer's certificate to get registered, and they are not going to give it for something that radical! We have utes, utilities. I think they are only here and perhaps in NZ, so I will have to find a pic. Basically, if you took a car and cut it down through behind the back seats, put the rear window there, and put a tray on the back, but with sides made of the car body-stuff. If you can follow that! That is what a lot of them drive.
On the other side, we have all the carry on when there is a 'dog attack', especially with kids, but it is amazing that it happens when the dog is alone with kids. Surely if they were truly savage, they would attack when adults were there too. I wonder about what some kids do to dogs when no one is looking. We had one incident in a country town when a little girl climbed the fence into next door, went into a dog run with hunting dogs and was attacked and died. The dogs were destroyed and people were carrying on about the owner, but really what else was he to do, apart from a padlock? The girl's mother was not at home, no adult there at all, and the girl had been told previously to stay away from the dogs. There are several breeds banned from importation here, Pit Bulls, although there are very few here in truth, Taso, none are here, so I am not sure of the breeds. Dogo Argentina, I think is one. In Queensland, about 1500 dogs have been seized and destroyed as Pit Bulls, when most have been Staffordshire crosses. Up there a Chihuahua has been declared a dangerous dog because it grabbed a postman's pants leg, not even his leg! But I think tail docking was just the start, they are moving through the dog breeds, the media fueling a lot of it, and I think there will be very tough restrictions in the future. We can't hunt, in the main, and I think it will not be so good for dog owners, especially those with big dog, in the future.
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Post by tasha on Nov 19, 2006 20:07:43 GMT 1
how terrible :-( especially with a child watching on she must have been terribly traumatised.
I suppose at the end of the day whether we like it or not a dog is still an animal and should always be respected for that. I don't suppose anyone will really know why the dog turned on his owner but it would be a pity to tar all the breed with the same brush.
I thought seriously about undertaking shultzhund training with bonnie when she was a year old but decided that training her to do somethings was not worth it, although it is something that I wanted to learn on a personal basis I decided that I might have been creating a problem for myself and others in the long run should anything happen to me.
Bonnie has a fabulous temperment I trust her with pretty much anything and have no problems with her being around children, old people or those with learning difficulties but I never leave her alone with them, just not worth the risk for her or for them.
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