To be a stud dog in Germany

[Fala Love'a]

HI,
Since Kobie said nothing is happening on Euroweims, I have a question - probably to those who know more about German rules.
What conditions does the male imported from another country have to fullfill to be a stud dog in Germany?
I assume that Hunting Trials/show results are required but some time ago I heard (but not sure if it is true) that parents of such a dog have to have Hunting Trials passed as well, is it correct?

Cheers
Magda

[Kobie]

Thanks Magda, for your cooperation

I think that the dog needs to have at least HZP in Germany, before he can be bred, and I think his parents too. So that makes it very limited for dogs from abroad.

I think our German member could explane more

[cummel]

www.weimaraner-klub-ev.de/html/zuchtbedingung.html

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[Fala Love'a]

Thx Dorit!
I translated it to polish (quite funny it sounds hehe) so according to that there are no requirements for stud's parents, am i right?

Magda

[cummel]

in fact there are, but it's not in the text.
As far as I know, also the parents of the stud must fulfill the same requirements. Exceptions or foreign results must be authorized by the club.

@nadja: correct me if I am wrong!

[Fala Love'a]

Exactly, that is what I was told!
Could someone confirm that so I am 100% sure, please?

Cheers
Magda

[marjolein]

I've checked the list with studdogs, and there are several dogs on the list with parents who didn't do any German tests at all. I've never heard of this rule tbh and I can't find anything about it either.

[marjolein]

There is even a (Belgium) dog on the list who's parents have absolutely nothing........

[cummel]

it's for studs coming new on the list, I think

[Kobie]

Yes, I think its very interesting to know how it works for foreign studs.

However, a male who lives in Germany, from Polish breeder, did the test for young dogs in Poland, but it wasn't enough to become stud in Germany

[Fala Love'a]

Kobie, but these polish tests for young dogs qualify for breeding in Poland and they do not provide with working certificate, so it's normal that a dog who passed ONLY these junior tests can't be a stud in Germany.

To get working certificate in Poland a dog has to pass Field Trial or Versitle Trial the same as in Germany ect. The difference is that FT/Versitle trials are required to be a stud in Germany and in Poland passing Juniors trials is enough - which is still good since in many countries there are no working requirements to "have babies".
Still hope that some German breeder will join the dissccusion!

Magda

[Kobie]

Yes, I agree that tests for young dogs only is not enough, but it would be helpful to know wich are enough for Germany .

It would also be great, if we know what a Belgian stud needs

We have the TAN (test of natural ability)
work before shot: FT
work after shot: basic- and advanced hunting/retrieving tests.
HVV: course based on practical hunting (more or less same tests of the German HZP)

So I can imagen that some of these would be enough

[cummel]

There won't be a complete list of foreign tests and/or trials which are accepted, because there are too many in all different countries.

But if you have a specific request, you can always know it by asking it to the breeding responsible of the German club.

[marjolein]

They are the home country of the breed and in trying to keep the breed safe and sound, they only accept their own test. They're entitled to do so if you ask me!

[cummel]

I agree, Mar.
No system is perfect and I prefer a very strict regulation to no requirements on hunting results at all.

[Kobie]

Well, I would like to know for my own dogs, we have all these huntingtests. It would be great to know.
Is this the same for a bitch ?

[marjolein]

This is the only thing I can find about it in their rules and regulations:

4.10 Dem Zuchteinsatz von Weimaranern, die in einem ausländischen Zuchtbuch eingetragen
sind, hat eine gründliche Überprüfung, insbesondere der Abstammung und des
Freiseins von Erbfehlern voranzugehen.
Die Freigabe erfolgt durch den Zuchtwart im Einvernehmen mit dem Vorstand.

[calla]

Alas here is the awnser you all are seking

It is right not only the foreign dog itself has to pass the breeding rules ( HZP with at least 6 points in water and pointig), HD B2 or better, passing the character test, and giving blood to the DNA-biobank.

Yes, the parents have to oblige by the same rules !!!! Which it kind of makes it extremly hard to get foreign dogs on the studdog list anymore.
One new dog ( and I won´t say the name) snug its way on the studdog list, since I know for sure that at least one of his parents did not fullfill all the requirements.
And the German club is like many other clubs :All are equal, but some are more equal...... I´m sure with the rigth connections you can reach your goal. But for the majority it is very difficult.

This is why I am still looking for a cooperation with a foreign breeder that is interested in sending a very good dog to GErmany for testing. So that at least the offsprings out of such a dog with a German dog, could be worth gold for the German breeding program !
Time will show how far the GErmans will get with this system.....



Nadja

[Fala Love'a]

Thx a lot Nadja.
It seems like everything I was told it true...and it is indeed very hard to add some "new blood" in Germany!

Cheers
Magda

[Kobie]

I agree with Nadja, thinking about new genes, healthmatters, huntingskills, character, and so many more things. It can't be good having German lines in the future, based on all the same grand parents for so many generations !
All the good things, but also the bad things are doubled and even more doubled !

Closing borders could give many problems in the future !